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Post by Jeff on Mar 16, 2008 15:07:09 GMT -5
Jurors, please begin asking your questions to the Final 3 or make your statements. If you have nothing to say, please state that you have nothing to say so that we don't wait on you The finalists will answer the questions as they get the chance. You do not have to wait for one juror to have their questions answered before you ask yours.
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Post by Anthony (C2M) on Mar 16, 2008 15:16:04 GMT -5
Ok here I go lol Congrats all of you for making final 3! I know who my vote is goingto but that could change. Heres my questions to all of you 1) Why did you vote me out? Dont put the blame on others or you WONT get my vote. If you heard from someone why did you follow? dont answer "casue of the alliance" I want this detailed. 2) Who would you replace the other 2 final 3 members with and why? you cannot say I wouldnt change them. 3) Why should you win over them? NO POSITIVES Answer the questions and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OR YOUR NOT GETTING MY VOTE
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Post by Carol on Mar 16, 2008 15:55:00 GMT -5
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There are many ways to make it into the finals in Survivor.
You can play a clean game. Maybe have a small alliance that you never vote out.
You can have a dirty game. Making alliances with many people knowing you will need to back stab most of them.
You can play a boring game. Winning immunity a lot, not really talking to anyone but not really giving the players a chance to vote you off.
You can also have a big alliance and make it far without giving others a chance.
Dragon- You played a dirty game. Aligning with many people in this game. Promised to take others to he finals, and than voted them off before they found out and voted you out. Frags- You also promised me a spot in the finals. You also had alliances with other members which you voted off early. That also shows that you played a dirty game. Yin- You were the most boring player in this game. No one knew what side you were on because you flopped almost every round. Everyone had the thought you were on their side, Which made it dumb to vote you off. That was a dirty move, everyone was on your alliance. I agree that I played a very similar game, but I obviously didn't play dirty enough because I'm on the jury. It sucks I have to vote for one of you. I don't feel that any of you deserve to win. You all should be discussed with yourselves. My vote can go anywhere, so be sure not to lie in my questions.
Jury Questions
Dragon- You were my main alliance in this game. I trusted you more than anyone. Day one, we had a deal to go to the finals. you lied to me the entire game and voted me off right before the finals.
Why did you think it was smart to vote me off?
Before you voted, did you really think I might look at your game play and vote for you?
Dragon, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied.
Frags- About final eight, you wanted to be in a final 4 alliance. Yin, Dragon, you, and myself. You also said you would bring me to the finals.
Why did you lie to me and vote me out?
Frags, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied?
Yin- I'm most discussed with your game play. Voted randomly and you never stuck with your alliance.
Why should I vote for you?
Yin, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied.
Last for all of you.
Do you feel I rid anyones coat tails? Who if so?
Please list every jury member, starting with the first person voted off, please tell me one good think about them and one bad thing about them. (Skipping one will cost you my vote) Saying you didn't know them very much will count as a skip.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 16, 2008 15:58:46 GMT -5
1) Why did you vote me out? Dont put the blame on others or you WONT get my vote. If you heard from someone why did you follow? dont answer "cause of the alliance" I want this detailed. If I do recall, you went home the first week of merge? If I am correct, I took charge in your voting out. I had nothing against you, but I felt as if you would come back to bite me. I remember that right before going into merge I told everyone that we should stick together as a tribe, we had the numbers, it was a simple as that, but nope, nobody could handle it. I had heard from several sources [entropy, frags, and I believe anthony] that you were with yang, I was very scared that yang would begin to control the game at this point. It was at this time that I used my charisma and gentle charm to talk everyone into voting you out. This was also a GREAT strategical move in my part because there was a bit of a debacle going on between frags and entropy, voting you out would postpone the drama for at least another week. 2) Who would you replace the other 2 final 3 members with and why? you cannot say I wouldn't change them.I am not buttering up the competition in any way by saying this, but I don't think I could be stuck with two better plaeyers in this final TC. Yes, Yang and anthony avoided being voted off week after week, but these two, their names were practically never even mentioned! that is incredible, and it is also why I would replace them up here in a heart beat. First off I would have entropy and carol up here with me. Carol, the reason I would have you up here with me is because I have heard you being accused of riding anthony's coat tail, although I do not agree with the idea, I would love to have you up here next to me because most of the jury thinks that. Entropy, you were a great talker which is why I want you next to me, not only did me and this guy have a F2 alliance, but al ot of people on the jury were ready to vote him out. despite the admiration I have four game entropy, a lot of people just didn't get you I don't think. It's a shame that you couldn't be up here with me and drago. 3) Why should you win over them? NO POSITIVES First, I will start by attacking frags. Frags, at the merge me, you dragonomine, and entropy all had a final four alliance. this alliance could have TORN right through the competition, but then you went and teamed up with yang and brennus, and decided to target entropy? What's up with that? Luckily for entropy, dragonomine and myself had his back. We were honoring our word. For this reason, playing like a scoundrel and a liar, I don't think you deserve to win. in comparison to me, where I played this game having only lied once [To alethiometer, sorry buddy] I am a saint when I stand next to you, but for some reason, the jury loves you. Dtragaonomine nobody knew about our final 2 alliance, or at least they did know, and did nothing about it. I think that I deserve this win more than you because I worked harder for it. You were a great player and you kept your word, unlike frags. but it seems as if you were in with everyone, as where I was not. I had to cut deals, avoid people and win just the right immunity challenge, just to stay safe each week, where you, your name was never even thought of for voting out. I am really glad that we stayed loyal to each other though! Thank you for your questions C2M, I really do respect you as a player, but you but a big exclamation mark over your head, and that's why you had to go, sorry. Remember, my answers are 100% honest and they are what I think completely, I beliebe everything that I have interpreted in this game to be true. Agains, thank you and good luck in life.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 16, 2008 16:52:48 GMT -5
Yin- I'm most discussed with your game play. Voted randomly and you never stuck with your alliance.
Why should I vote for you? You should vote for me, because I gave you a chance, where everyone thought you were just a player that stumbled into the final 4, I saw you as a threat, I do not appreciate you saying my game play was disgusting, but what can i do? I played this game to the best of my ability. I made a pact not to lie. Avoiding conflict was the only way to stay true to this. I was always true to my alliance in every time I voted. You should vote for me to win because I took part in taking out every single power house in this game. I was a powerhouse a powerhouse that only the truly intellectual could see ass a threat. Yin, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied. I lied to The alethiometer, that's it. I told him that I wouldn't vote for him to leave, but I did. That was my lie. I had no reason to lie, but I did. I'm sorry Carol. Last for all of you. Please list every jury member, starting with the first person voted off, please tell me one good think about them and one bad thing about them. (Skipping one will cost you my vote) Saying you didn't know them very much will count as a skip. entropy - entropy was a great strategist that could get you to think whatever he wanted you to think. entropy was misunderstood a lot, by the people he didn't talk to. anthony - great at challenges, avoided being voted out time after time AFTER time. wasn't in my alliance, so that was his downfall. brennus - brennus was great a playing through other people, lie I was great at [manipulation] his downfall was self voting to send himself home. carol - you were good at the occasional challenge and you were devoted, I don't understand why you have no respect for me, but that's your choice, your downfall is not making a name for yourself, everyone assumed that you just stumbled into the final 4. come2meok - coome2meok, one of your biggest moves was getting your arch rival chad out of the game. I was taken aback by that move, it was brilliant and clearly took some balls. Your downfall was being too secretive, I grew very suspicious of you very quickly after merge, mainly because you were so quiet. philotas - you were great at taking charge when charge needed to be taken, this obviously took you to great heights in the competition, I applaud you. Your downfall was trying to team up with yang. You should have known better, if you are going to work with yang, you must have an agreement from the beginning, that kind of thing doesnt just HAPPEN the alethiometer - you were the most sincere, genuine and sweet caring person in the game. People's admiration that they had for you carried you a long way in this game, your downfall with me is the same thing though. I thought that your sincerity would overshadow me and make me the second most caring person in the game, i had to get rid of you, again, I am sorry for lying to you... I do still regret it. yang - oh boy.... yang. You were a great all around player, with the exception of aleth, you had the strengths of everyone. You could talk, compete, lead, take charge, stalk in the shadows, manipulate, and everyone both feared and respected you. I played dumb, like I didn't know what you were up to for a while, but eventually, with the help of frags carol and dragonomine I shoved the steak right through your heart and sent you home. Your downfall was arrogance, you got too comfortable. Sorry. Hank you for your questions carol I was 100% thorough and sincere in answering them Good luck in life.
Do you feel I rid anyones coat tails? Who if so? No, I really don't think you did, I believe that you just had a less effective form of my own stratgegy. I believe that you might have angered some people by making it so far in the game with such a laid back strategy. personally, i saw you as a threat and I applaud you.
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Post by Carol on Mar 16, 2008 17:14:53 GMT -5
Misssed 1 questions. Right above the last one.
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Post by dragonomine on Mar 16, 2008 18:18:57 GMT -5
come2meok 1) Why did you vote me out? Dont put the blame on others or you WONT get my vote. If you heard from someone why did you follow? dont answer "casue of the alliance" I want this detailed.I voted you out because I didn't trust you. Simple as that. There were several times I tried to initiate conversations with you but your replies were 1 word answers. I can't build off that. In all honestly, I felt you would eventually vote me out because we had no ties. And that's why I voted for you when the opportunity presented itself. 2) Who would you replace the other 2 final 3 members with and why? you cannot say I wouldnt change them.There's so many ways to go here. I'll tell you who I think deserved to be here the most and that is Entrophy and Yang and I'll tell you why. Entrophy was a strong player. He kept in touch with everyone all the time. He made you FEEL like you were important to him. Unfortunately he made promises to too many people and they talked. Had he stuck with a solid 3 people alliance I really think he would have done much better than he did. And yes, he could have made the finals. Yang obviously. Do I even have to explain why? Yang could sell ice to eskimos. And he did when it came to Anthony and Phil. Both of them wanted him out and yet Yang would get them to vote how he wanted. Unbelievable. Not only does he deserve the finals but he would have deserved to win. Unfortunately, that's why I ultimately betrayed him. 3) Why should you win over them? NO POSITIVESI should win over Yin and Frags because I fought harder to get here. Yes, I betrayed people. I was out there more. I took the hits especially when I voted out Yang. But better to ask forgiveness than permission. Although there were a few people that wanted me out, I played it so I always had majority votes behind me and that's how I got here. After merge I did what I had to do to get here and to give myself the best chance of winning. There's only one person I regret having to vote out and I'll get to that in a later question I'm sure. But that's exactly why I should get your vote. Tks for your questions and good luck with your decision!
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Post by Frags on Mar 16, 2008 22:37:35 GMT -5
1) Why did you vote me out? Dont put the blame on others or you WONT get my vote. If you heard from someone why did you follow? dont answer "casue of the alliance" I want this detailed.
Well, I didn't vote you out! Once I found out that our "Tribal Switch" tribe wasn't going to stick together like we had talked about before the merge, and that it appeared as though entropy and Yin were the main ones behind the split, I voted entropy. After I found out from Yin that entropy had been trying to get me out, I had to try and get him before he got me.
2) Who would you replace the other 2 final 3 members with and why? you cannot say I wouldnt change them.
I take this question as you would like to know two others I think deserve to be here. If that's the case, I would have to say Yang and Anthony. Both of them played excellent games and obviously had a line drawn in the sand so that they didn't bounce back and forth from one side one week to the other side the next. Even though they both had targets on their backs, they made it very far in the game, to me that says a lot for their gameplay.
3) Why should you win over them? NO POSITIVES
Not really sure what you mean by NO POSITIVES, but here goes!
Well, let me start off with Yin, he didn't just lie once, he also was the one that started the whole we all agree to stay together after the merge thing and then he was the first to bail on that idea by starting the whole we have to vote for C2M campaign, hence another lie, so can he really be believed now since he's lied about how many times he's lied? But let's not talk about how many times someone lied, lets talk about their game, as for Yin, other than orchestrating voting you (C2M) out, what game was there? He floated out there and clung to whatever coattail benefited him at the time. What else is there to talk about?
As for Dragonomine, well I felt as though she was my "core alliance". I could talk to her and felt as though she was being honest with me all along. I would ask her her thoughts about certain votes to try and figure out where the numbers were for most votes, since it was known that she was somewhat close to Yin, but other than that, what game did she really have, she rode both Yang and myself to get here, no real gameplay moves.
I (in a nutshell) started this game out by watching people and feeling some out to see who might be good allies. Once the Tribal Switch occurred I took the initiative and started setting up some oustings. Already putting somewhat of a target on my back by being, as I was told, an orchestrator, I then get into the conflict with entropy, when the merge happened, making a bigger blip on many radar screens. At this point I have to try to lay a bit lower and try to get some of the attention off of me. Along comes Yang, we have similar objectives and I can let him be in the spotlight, allowing me to move out of the forefront, while still trying to accomplish different objectives by making persuasive suggestions and planting seeds to set up future plans. Once we got to Final 7, I then began to move back out to the front by creating the Final 4 pact between myself, Dragonomine, Yin and Carol. Once we got Philotas out, it didn't matter what order Anthony and Yang went as long as they went, because I knew that their games were very good and they would be practically impossible to beat in the Finals. I let Yin think that he made the crucial decision of voting Yang out, so that I could gain his trust as another plus toward assuring a spot in the Finals. As you see from what little I told you (I can go into more detail, lol), I had a gameplan that I began working on from the beginning, thus I believe overall my gameplay blew my co-finalists away and that is why I should win over them.
I hope this answers your question the way you intended.
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Post by Frags on Mar 17, 2008 0:20:47 GMT -5
Statement - I'm sorry, but I just need to get this off my chest, because I get so sick of people saying that so-in-so lied to me in the game and I got my feelings hurt. Let me get this out right up front, I may have lied, deceived, manipulated, made things appear differently than they really were, whatever..........the point is, this is SURVIVOR.........a game that requires some form of this type of activity in most every game! If someone wants a game that is morally correct and involves none of the above mentioned things, then maybe they need to go to church and play games there!
Frags- About final eight, you wanted to be in a final 4 alliance. Yin, Dragon, you, and myself. You also said you would bring me to the finals.
Why did you lie to me and vote me out?
I never said that I would bring you to the Finals, I said, and I quote: "that if you and I were to work together that we could improve our chances of making it to the finals together with one other person.", so I can't honestly say that I lied to you, deceived maybe. As for voting you out, I had ties with both Dragonomine and Yin since way back at the Tribal Switch, so I had to stay with them.
Frags, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied?
I don't know that I out right lied to anyone, not saying that I didn't, but I don't recall out right lying to anyone. Now, yes I did deceive and manipulate (believe it or not, there is a difference between deceiving, manipulating and lying) throughout the entire game, but that was all part of my strategy.
Last for all of you.
Do you feel I rid anyones coat tails? Who if so?
I don't know if I would call it riding coattails with you, as you seemed to be more of a "Floater". At the merge it appeared that you kinda went with whatever side that seemed to have the "power" or "majority", then it seemed like you settled in with Anthony for a couple of weeks and finally once it looked apparent that that side wasn't going to work, you came with us. Just being honest.
Please list every jury member, starting with the first person voted off, please tell me one good think about them and one bad thing about them.
I'm assuming your talking about good/bad in this game.
come2meok - Good - Very nice guy Bad - Very quiet, didn't seem to be into this game
entropy - Good - Good strategist, if he and I could have seriously got together, could have been a force to be reckoned with Bad - Spread himself too thin, thus no longer could be trusted
The Alethiometer - Good - Never got to know him in this game, but from what I gather, could be a good ally Bad - Never tried to get to know some in the game, ultimately costing him
Brennus - Good - Was beginning to be a good ally Bad - Not very active thus self voting himself out
Philotas - Good - Very good at playing both sides Bad - By playing both sides, couldn't be trusted
Yang - Good - Great all around player Bad - Game was too good to keep around till the end
Anthony - Good - Great game, tough in challenges Bad - As with Yang, game was too good to keep around till the end
Carol - Good - Good ally once she decides to go in one direction Bad - Waited too long to commit to one side
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Post by Brennus on Mar 17, 2008 0:26:33 GMT -5
Hey guys. Remember me? The idiot that self-voted. Yeah. I do that a lot it seems. >_< I was slightly out of it during this game, so reading these answers is going to supply me with information to fill in those gaps. So you're answers are going to be key here. I like all of you, although I must admit currently Frags is number one with me, but the rest of you still have a chance. Okay, here are my questions. For everyone - If I had not self-voted Philotas would've been out, and I would've been F7. Dissect the rest of the game with a F7 of dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Anthony, Carol, and Brennus - who do you think would end up in the Final Three in that event and how would they get there? Would it have been different at all? For dragonomine - I remember you from Metnal as a really nice person. I must say as a former tribe member, congrats on making it this far. I like to separate gameplay from personality, since I'm a nice person myself, but if I had to, I would make some not-nice moves for the sake of gameplay. My question to you, dragonomine - How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Round to the nearest tenth place. Not realy. My serious question - pretend the game has been flipped. Everybody here is eliminated and the new Huracan tribe is comprised of every player who has not reached the jury and they are competing against each other. Out of those people, who do you think would be the most likely to win. Give three good reasons why that person could've won. For Frags - My opinion of you is that you are a solid game player who got here because he really played the game better than the people who are not here. My question for you Frags - Pretend the 8 jurors are all in one room. Which two would you shoot (not necessarily fatal, lol) and why? Which two would you ignore and why? Which two would you make your best friends and why? And finally, which two would you ban from playing Survivor ever again and why? You can not use the same person twice; every juror should appear once. To Yin - I don't really remember you. That's not good. It's probably my fault though. So my question - Remind me of what you did in the game. I want only facts. NO JUDGMENTS. Just tell me straight out what you did, and I will decide whether or not it was a good move or not.
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Post by Brennus on Mar 17, 2008 0:28:09 GMT -5
Frags, to clarify, I was plenty active. The reason I self-voted is the same reason I self-voted in a prev. game, and that's that I was waiting for confirmation from everyone else that we were all voting for the same person before I voted and I didn't remember what the deadline was. I was plenty active. It was an honest mistake.
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Post by yang on Mar 17, 2008 1:39:33 GMT -5
Frags, to clarify, I was plenty active. The reason I self-voted is the same reason I self-voted in a prev. game, and that's that I was waiting for confirmation from everyone else that we were all voting for the same person before I voted and I didn't remember what the deadline was. I was plenty active. It was an honest mistake. And it ending up getting yourself out as the 5th person to directly vote themselves out of this game (the other 4 were pre-merge). For the record, you went out very prematurely, but everyone thought this was a huge blow to Yang, and it really didnt bother him much at the time. As for Yang's questions...Yang has all day tomorrow, so sometime tomorrow Yang's questions will be up here.
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Post by entropy on Mar 17, 2008 4:05:33 GMT -5
Hey guys,
First of all, congratulations for making it to the finals!
This is somewhat an atrocious final three. All three of you were my post-merge "CORE" alliance and supposed to be my final four! Yet, I'm sitting here, as the second juror. Painful, indeed. TBH, when I was voted out, I didn't think any of you would make it this far. So, I'm in awe!
But, nevertheless, I think y'all played an extraordinary game and deserves to be in the final three despite what ppl say about your game strategies. Survivor is a game of manipulations, lies, back-stabbing, and whatever Evil stands for. It's just a matter of timing. And your's was perfect. So don't worry, I'm not going to choose someone who played the least "evil" game.
Before I go any further, I just want to point out that my vote right now can go to anyone. I'm giving a 10/10 to all three of you for your strategies. IMO, there's no shame in riding someone's coat-tail. To say that is just foolishly ignorant. Using someone as a human shield (and let him think he's in control) is brilliantly shrewd and by far, the best possible strategy in Survivor. From the look of it, I think all three of you were using Yang as human shield. Whatever strategy Yang came up with, you guys went along so it seems as if Yang was the mastermind, which he was. So not only did you give him trust, make him over-confident, but you also gave him a big bull's eye target as well. Nice! It would be the MOST stupidest move in survivor history NOT to take Yang out, so when the right timing came, you no longer needed that human shield so you got rid of it. Brilliant. A masterpiece of "survivor strategy" and I truly applaud.
Here are my questions...
to The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Start with "the Good" - Yin
To me, you were a friend. You were a saint - had it all - charms, sweetness, genuine amity. People said you lied, but who cares? Your strategy was to be truthful to your alliance (which you were) and to get this far, you had to lie to a few - for your own sake. It made you got this far so you really shouldn't be regrettin'. Yin, you played the game I wanted to. My question is a simple one. I want to understand you from a strategic POV. So give me the blunt truth.
Why did you voted me out?
When you say people misunderstood me, what do you mean?
Next, "the Bad" - Frags
I don't hold any grudge against you. You're a great guy and I honestly would have loved to team up with you to the end. The thing is, pre-merge, I wanted to get rid of you because (aside from the fact that we never had a conversation) I had a feeling you would ditch and join Yang because you were on the same tribe before tribal-switch. But Yin came up with this "CORE" alliance move which I fell in love with so I attempt to clear up matters with you. The next thing I know, ppl are telling me (philotas, drago to name a few) that you are teaming up with Yang and wanted me out post-merge! I still had trust in you so I had C2M voted out instead. The thing is, I still got 4 votes. Yang, C2M, Brennus definitely voted for me. So I was led to believe that the other vote had to be you. Was it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Did you really vote for C2M the TC before I was ousted like u said or did you vote for me?
What's your "real" reason for wanting to rid me? What's the strategy behind it? Why didn't you trust me?
Lastly, "the Ugly" - Dragonomine
Not to say that you're ugly or anything, I'm sure you're pretty as can be. I really liked you. You had a way of making ppl just fall for you - your words. I would have trusted u with my life. If only I had AIM, I wish you could have understood me more. And you really had me thinking that you weren't allied with ANYONE pre-merge - which is a cute lie, but I understand your strategy behind it. You were the person I would've taken to the final two, definitely. So pretty much, the ugly part of your game was that you decieved me into thinking that you were with me entirely, when in fact, you had a secret alliance behind my back and that was with Yang. It hurted a lot and made me eyes sore, but I never put blame onto you. But it was really disheartening. You also mentioned that I gave final four promises out to people. The thing is, I thought you trused me completely as I have trusted you, so when Frags wanted to get rid of me, I figured you and Yin would understand that someone in our CORE alliance is betraying me, so I PMed both u guys that I'm voting for the betrayer and it would be OK for you guys throw your votes elsewhere cause he'll be in the jury and all, and I thought you would understand that I had to give out final four promises to someone else which I gave to the Alethiometer - to give us the numbers. I'm not sure if I gave final four lies to Carol and Brennus as well. You see, my only goal then was to take our CORE Alliance right to the end so I had to make deceptive promises to others - for our sake. In the end, those lies came back to haunt me and my own alliance voted me out...
I have no questions for you. I just want to make sure you understand me - that I never turned my back on you, never on our alliance, and that if I ever had to lie, it would be to lie to others, promising final four spots, or whatever just so that it would be safe for us. I just want you to understand me, that's all. We should've spoken more. I should have told you.
That's it!
Good luck you guys =)
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Post by Philotas on Mar 17, 2008 5:36:56 GMT -5
Congratulations Yin, Frags and Dragon. Anyone making the Final deserves to be in the Final despite how they play, so know that all 3 of you deserve to be in the Final 3. Nevertheless, the “how they play” part will probably determine who in the Final win the game.
Keep in mind that we’re still in the game, and what I say here is in no way intended to offend any of you personally, but rather criticized on how you played in this game.
Whether or not you feel my vote is important to you, I will really appreciate you to try your best to answer my questions, take your time, and not just rush through them like you don’t care.
A true Sole Survivor should know not only the game from their own perspective but understand other players’ game and strategy. I want to see if you fully understand what’s going on throughout the game. I don’t want this to be too tough so I’m only going to ask you to tell me 1) Who do you think I voted for in each post-merge Tribal Council (starting from the Tribal Council C2M was voted off to the one I was voted off), and why do you think I voted that way. Tell me what you know and understand. (All)
Now, you all remember Final 7 was when the fans’ favorite Philotas got voted off from the game, but maybe you don’t remember some of our conversations we had before I got voted out. I have a lot of questions regarding them, so let me first remind you how our conversation went.
Yin
This happens during Final 7.
Yin: Ok, I don't know if you're stil willing to work with me ater the whole anthony thing, which I am sorry for. But we should definintly vote yang. He's SUCH a huge threat, don't you think? PM meh back.
Philotas: Yeah, Yang is a big threat, and I have no idea why people let him get away in the earlier Tribal Council, where we were trying to get him out. Now, it will only get harder and harder to take him out. Do you think Dragon is going to vote for Yang?
Yin: I'm sure she will, I don't know why she wouldn't. Votes are due tomorrow right? So, who are you voting for?
Philotas: It has to be Yang this time, and hopefully no one does anything funny again. LOL
Yin: Yes! We are finally going to get yang out! I can't believe it took this long.
2) Yin, when you said you only lied once in this game, are you saying you only misled me to believe you were voting for Yang during Final 7? (Yin only) I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. Just want to make sure you remember our conversation, and not saying you lied only once because you forgot some of the other lies you’ve made.
One more thing I want to ask from you, Yin. 3) What’s with all the random-voting strategy? Were you really voting randomly, or was it some kind of strategy? Please explain about that. (Yin only)
Frags
As for you, Frags, the conversation happens after Brennus was voted out.
Frags: Ok, I hope you can see from the vote that I have committed myself to you and Anthony. I hope you don't let me down now!
Philotas: Thanks so much Frags. I thought I would have been out. I'm trying to figure out the groups. Do you think the 3 votes for me were from Brennus, Dragon, and Yin? Yang told me he voted for Brennus.
Frags: I know for a fact, Brennus, Dragon and Yin were the three that voted for you. As for Yang, both he and I talked about it and agreed to make the move to stay with you. You said that if we saved you that you promise that you would vote with us the rest of the way, so we figure that we can count on you from here on out to the F3 (which we believe will be the Finals).
4) How could you know for a fact that Brennus voted for me, when now it’s clear that Brennus self-voted in that round? Did you say that to get credits with me, or you didn’t really know for sure but say that anyway? Do you know for a fact now who were the 3 people who voted for me? (Frags only)
One more thing for you, Frags. When I was voted out, I initially believed that it was you who pushed the vote, because you seemed upset that I voted against you earlier. Yang tried to take credit of getting me out though. 5) Were you really the one who pushed the vote to go to me? Explain how the consensus arrived at me as the target. (Frags only)
Dragon
This conversation actually went back to Final 9, before TheAlethiometer was voted out.
Philotas: Hey Dragon, I have something I want to ask you. Did Carol tell you that she voted for you? She did that to me, and I thought she really did vote for me. Then later she told me she was just kidding.
Dragon: Yeah, but she told me right after. She's got AIM.
Philotas: When Carol saw that I actually got a vote, she was afraid that I must be thinking it's her vote, and I did think like that at first. I was really shocked when she told me that she and 5 other voted for me. I honestly thought I was played big time, and will be the one leaving.
She quickly told me that it wasn't her. I believe her, and I wasn't mad. I'm just glad I still get to be in the game.
Dragon: LOL Early April Fool's joke?
Philotas: LOL that's funny. I really don't know if I can trust her. I heard you'll be voting together with Yang, Frags, and Brennus? Who are we voting for?
Dragon: And who tells you these things? Just wondering.
Philotas: Yang gave me an impression that you are voting with him. However, I'm not sure how close you are with Yang. I guess what I want to know is whether it's possible that we can be a close alliance. This TC, the votes are probably going between Yang and TheAlethiometer. You might be the swing vote, and if we know how each of us are voting, we can both help each other by voting the same and stick with the majority.
Dragon: I heard your side has been bringing my name up to be voted out. How am I supposed to trust you?
Philotas: My side? I don't even have a side, LOL. Maybe you thought I'm with the others? Honestly, I don't know who's been bringing up your name, but I never thought about voting you out.
Dragon: Do you have AIM?
Philotas: Well, I don't have AIM but I use MSN. I'll be glad to talk to you.
Then we exchanged our MSNs, but never get to chat, probably because of the timezone, so we never were online at the same time. You seemed very suspicious of me in our conversations. I have to ask this, because AIM seems to be a big thing for you, and we didn’t get to chat. Plus you seemed to ally yourself with those you chatted on AIM with, like Yin, Frags and Carol. 6) Do you need to talk to someone on AIM or MSN before you can trust them? Was it a factor that we not talking on AIM or MSN caused you to not trust me enough and voted me out? Am I an untrustworthy person not worth talking to because I didn’t talk to you through AIM? (Dragon only)
7) In Final 7, did you really want to vote me out, or you were just following your alliances (Dragon only)
I’m done with my questions. All I have left to say is I love this game and you are all fun to play with. You three are lucky to get to enjoy all of it. Goodluck to all of you.
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Post by dragonomine on Mar 17, 2008 8:43:08 GMT -5
~ Carol ~ Dragon- You were my main alliance in this game. I trusted you more than anyone. Day one, we had a deal to go to the finals. you lied to me the entire game and voted me off right before the finals. We had a deal even before the game started. LOL (yes, I knew Carol was Eric) I did not lie to you the entire game. I had every intention of voting off Frags at F4. He wasn't supposed to win immunity. Do you REALLY think I wanted to be sitting here in finals with him? (sorry Frags) I voted out my strongest competition to get myself to the end with the best chance to win the game. I definitely didn't want Frags here because it would be harder to win against him. And I had a better chance against you. Why did you think it was smart to vote me off?Smart, no. Necessary, yes. Yin and I had been working closely together since merge. If I recall I initiated that alliance and I wouldn't turn my back on it. Ultimately he was the one person I wouldn't vote off. And had Frags not won immunity, you'd be up here. Before you voted, did you really think I might look at your game play and vote for you?Depends. Are you going to vote with your head or your heart? You know strategically I played the better game. But whatever you decide, I won't hold it against you. In the end, it's a game. Dragon, please tell me everyone you lied to. Also, tell me what the lie was, and why you lied.I lied to you at F4 when I said I was voting for Yin. It was necessary because if you had known you might have swayed Frags or Yin to vote me out. At F4, I wasn't going to take that chance. I lied to you when I said I was voting for Yang the round before he actually left and voted for Phil instead. Yin and I realized at merge we could be swing votes for both sides. That's when our alliance began. The tribe separations were even except for one person. We came up with the plan to vote out one from each side to ensure we were ALWAYS to swing vote in any situation. You knew about this plan as well. The round Phil went you were pushing for Yin to go. I wouldn't let it happen. I told you we had the votes to take out Yang. I knew you'd jump at the chance and that saved Yin from being in danger. I lied to Yang when I told him I voted for Anthony the round he went. It was necessary. Yang could squeeze blood from a stone. If he got even a HINT that he was getting screwed he'd get out of it some way. I lied to Entrophy two rounds in a row when I told him I didn't vote/wasn't voting for him. I DID like Entrophy and I would have liked to see him get further, but when you don't know people that well and rumors start flying about working everyone you tend to wonder who that person is really with. My early alliances...were they lies? I don't take them as such. Other than our agreement and the one I made to Yin, I don't recall initiating a single one of them. If someone comes to you and offers up an alliance do you REALLY think you'd say No Thanks! That would be stupid cause they'd come after you the next round. Do you feel I rid anyones coat tails? Who if so?No I don't. I think people only believe that because of Eric, not because of Carol. Carol had game and she had her own mind. She knew what was going on and had a hand in every single vote except for Phil's. You were much better than people gave you credit for. Please list every jury member, starting with the first person voted off, please tell me one good think about them and one bad thing about them. (Skipping one will cost you my vote) Saying you didn't know them very much will count as a skip. ~ come2meok ~ He was in a good position in the game. I think he pretty much stayed under the radar and didn't rock the boat. That served him well for a time. But after the merge people needed allies they could count on 100%. He didn't voice opinions or take any kind of initiative (that I know of) and thus, became expendable. ~ entrophy ~I think I've already said this in another question, but I'll repeat. He was very friendly and very outgoing. You really wanted to like and trust him. That's just his personality. His only downfall was promising things to too many people. ~ aleth ~ He and I didn't start talking until the round he was voted out I think. Which sort of sucked cause I wish I would have had the opportunity to get to know him better cause in the few PMs we share he seemed like a good guy. He was loyal to his allies and tried to branch out to others. Unfortunately, it was too late to change anything. ~ brennus ~ Brennus was with Frags and Yang, therefore with me unofficially. Good! haahaa Gah! Brennus and that freaking self vote. He wasn't scheduled to go until the next round! That cost him a rung on the Survivor ladder. ~ phil ~ Make no mistake about it, Phil was one crafty little bugger and I knew it. He played hard and he played well. He adapted to situations. Unfortunately, he showed his untrustworthiness to me when Entrophy showed me one of their convos the same episode we merged. His downfall was playing both sides and getting caught by me early in the merge. ~ Yang ~ He was quite that charcter! Yang was the strongest person in this game. Damn straight I stuck by him until I had the majority of votes behind me to keep myself safe after he was gone. Yang had every single scenario in his mind at every point in the game. This guy is one of the smartest gamers I've ever played with in the past 3 years. His downfall was trusting me, obviously. ~ Anthony ~ Ahhh Anthony, we go back a ways don't we? My nemesis! Or as close to one as I had in this game. LOL But I'm sure we'll get to that later. Anthony is a fantastic player. He has nine lives and kept himself in the game longer by winning immunities. He stuck with his alliance, until Yang convinced him to vote for Yin. He was loyal to his allies. But I wasn't one and he had made that clear in our first tribe. Later on I wished I could trust him but I couldn't take the chance of anyone but Yin and Carol knowing what the real plan was. Finding a downfall is really hard with him. LOL Way back in our original tribe he chose to go with Dr Will instead of me. That was his mistake. ~ Carol ~ You really did play a good game. You adapted to the situations and did exactly what was right for you in the game. You were almost as devious as myself. It served you well. But you scared me. Everything rode on you always voting with Yin and me. Another reason why it was imperative why the sides had to remain even. With more majority votes on your side you could have taken out my side. I didn't completely trust that you wouldn't try to do that. And when Brennus self voted and was taken out prematurely that could have become a real possibility. That was your downfall. You didn't take advantage of that. That's it! Good luck Eric!
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