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Post by quinn on Aug 5, 2007 23:10:22 GMT -5
I wanted to add this for Momo to concider......
At that point I PM'ed Miller telling him he should talk to you to reassure momo that the plan was still good. That said I am sure Miller would have done that by himself.
Dr Will was NOT your friend, he was "mine":
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Post by Dr Will on Aug 6, 2007 18:10:53 GMT -5
Hmm THat deeply saddens me Quinn
All you had to do for my vote was admit you were in Chilltown and say that you and I would have been the final 2
So I guess this is what I have to ask to both of you
If college upcoming and summer didn't pull me away from this game, would I be sitting next to you?
We both had final 2 deals, I made sure of that! So were any of you lying to me about that?
Also
Miller you have become a great friend of mine- When I was in this game I just was going to use you as a pawn, but we became close
Tell me this Miller
1. Are we still friends today?
2. Did you and Quinn have a plan to get me out when I was still active
3. Why do you deserve my SPECIFIC vote.
Quinn
1. I thought you were Chilltown. I was mistaken (Good thing in the begining of the game I split Chilltown into two)- (Really Miller became my second half after someone else was voted of my original CT but I never really told him that)
Would you have taken me to the final 2 if I had stayed active
2. Why should you specifically have MY vote
3. Was Miller ever a Pawn like we agreed or was he the way you were going to screw me over?
I know stupid questions, I have work to go to and I will be leaving for college on the 16th.
Good luck guys, I had fun While I was active
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Post by Millertime on Aug 6, 2007 21:15:05 GMT -5
Let me start off by saying "Hello" my good Dr., it's good to hear from you again and we are glad to see that everything with you is alright. Now on to your questions!
If college upcoming and summer didn't pull me away from this game, would I be sitting next to you?
Well Dr., the answer to that question is unknown. Yes, we were in an alliance with each other, but we will never know what might have happened or what things might have played out differently if you had remained active. Quinn and I had an alliance, but I still had a hard time trying to decide who I wanted to take to the F2 along side me that might give me, what I believe, was the best chance to win.
We both had final 2 deals, I made sure of that! So were any of you lying to me about that?
Not really, I had a couple of different avenues that I could play depending on how the game played out. Who knows how things would have turned out if you had remained active.
Are we still friends today?
Of course! I consider everyone that played in this game a friend. This was just a game and I grasp at the opportunity to not only compete against everyone, but to create new friendships also. I hold nothing in this game personal or against anyone.
Did you and Quinn have a plan to get me out when I was still active
Up to the point that you went inactive...no...all we had discussed up to that point was F4 and you were counted in along with Smom.
Why do you deserve my SPECIFIC vote.
I deserve your specific vote because you and I continued to work together up to the point you went inactive. I shot straight with you and you saw how I played this game, plus the fact that you were a big part of my game. All of this along with my record in the HoH and veto challenges........this is why I deserve your vote!
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Post by quinn on Aug 6, 2007 21:35:12 GMT -5
1. Well as you seem to tell me in your answer, you had a back up CT plan, and why should you not? That is how CT plays. In fact, I did play CT, just you were one of MY CT casualty. Sorry brother. And let's not forget Momo, not sure if you and her had a CT thing going on, but I do know she felt you two were "good together". I would NOT have brought you as final 2. I'm not going to sit here saying that, perhaps, depending on the way the game played out... No you were not part of my plans for f2. My personal game strategie was not to go week by week, a good strategie, but not mine this time. My strategie WAS CT, lying and making deals and backstabbing. Had you stayed in the game I would have backstabbed you CT style. Just like you would have to others in your CT strategie! Sorry bro  2. Because, at the end of the day we actually played the game in the same way. But I had a better control of the house votes, and had a deeper web of alies. My game was a numbers strategie, not a "challenge threngh". It was about duping people and making sure I could control the votes. My game was about trying to get a final 5 who all of them would want to bring me to the end. Everyone was falling for what I was saying. Miller, you, C2M, Momo (but only a couple of times), you all were beeing duped by me. And I thought I was going to need to do a lot more backstabbing, but Momo did a lot of my dirty work like putting me up with one of my partners. What can I do I can't save C2M if he is next to me.... I can't save Aerith if she is next to me, but I can go on not worring because I still had plenty of back ups ready to take me to the end. 3. Miller was not a pawn in OUR (you and I) game, but he was a pawn in an other way for me. Just one that would have lasted untill f4 seeing as Aerith and Smom were in my original aliance of three, but who was attached enough to me to bring me to f2 like he did. |
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Post by momo on Aug 6, 2007 22:59:39 GMT -5
momo don't accept your reasoning, momo see that as a taunting or you wouldn't have put Eviction as the subject of the message, would you? With that you outed your alliance with Miller.
It would be good if you didn't give me that one statement momo can use against you when momo made the jury. About you being extremely pissed and won't give me your vote. momo quoted your word and sent it back to you the week after, hinting you momo would do the same. You didn't do anything to appease me instead you couldn't hide your emotion of delight about the prospect of momo going soon.
FYI, momo have no CT with Doc. momo was simply negotiating with you when i sent you that pm.
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Post by momo on Aug 6, 2007 23:01:00 GMT -5
For Millertime, my question is: On momo eviction week, momo sent you a proposal and you told momo you were seriously considering it. Were you lying to me? Absolutely not! At that point in the game, I had to seriously consider every aspect and every avenue that could be taken. I also told you that my single vote couldn't save you and that because of my position in the game, I would have to go along with both Quinn and Smom so that I wasn't the odd man out and basically committing Big Brother suicide. I did check with Smom, but she had already voted, so it was irrelevent at that point. Fine. Thank you for the answer. |
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Post by Jeff on Aug 6, 2007 23:37:05 GMT -5
Jurors left to post
El Robbiachi
Aerith
Heather
SurvivorMom
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Post by quinn on Aug 7, 2007 4:49:27 GMT -5
That's fine with me Momo, I understand how you feel about not accepting a reasoning. That's how I felt in the Jumanji game about you! But just like you had your way of seeing things in that game, I have mine for this game, and it truly is why I sent you that PM back at week 4. It was to throw you off. I never even THOUGHT about making a difference between Eviction and nomination or any other words.
I played the game in a way that I KNEW would not make me some friends, but I do belive I still positionned myself best to garantee myself to make it to the end.
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Post by Aerith on Aug 7, 2007 5:33:07 GMT -5
Hello, and congratulations quinn and Millertime on making it to the end of this game - and hey, now you both will finally get some money!  Congratulations and good luck to you both! You both played and worked very hard to get here. You both wanted this very much and I think you deserve to be here. I wanted to say thank you for the days I spent in the house that you both helped make more fun for me - I liked the living in the house part of the game best and will remember fun posting the most. I don't have any questions because what I am reading so far makes sense to me. But I will give you this way for you both to have a chance to tell more about your games: In BB7 there were words on the wall of the house: love, loyalty, honesty, betrayal, deceit, hate.Use each word in an "I statement" to tell more about your game, a time/moment in the house, any round, challenge, ceremony..Try not to change the form of the word. Take care to make sure the statements are about you/your game. |
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Post by Millertime on Aug 7, 2007 12:06:51 GMT -5
Well first off, Thank You Aerith, it was truly a pleasure to play this game with you and of course you didn't let me down with this question.....you really know how to make someone have to think! Now on to the answers!
love
Let me say that I love this game. I love the competition involved in this game along with how it is played with all of its twists and turns. I love how this game makes you have to think, strategize, adapt, anticipate others moves and the plus of creating new friendships along the way.
loyalty
Although I had a couple of different alliances in this game, I think that I exemplified the meaning of loyalty in this game. I kept loyal to all of my alliances up to the point that I really had no control of their outcome or would have set myself up to be the next target for eviction, with the exception of the darkking and Kali alliance, but darkking was the one who really aborted that alliance and became a threat to not only myself, but what I call my "core alliance" of Quinn and myself. Although apparently I wasn't the main alliance with Quinn, he was the first person that I created an alliance with and I remained loyal with him all the way to the final 3. The choice to bring Quinn along with me to the finals was completely a strategic move and nothing to do with alliances as I feel that I had a better chance of winning against him rather than Smom since it appeared that our games were so similar I figured it might come down to how we each performed in the challenges. As far as loyalty, I believe that I stayed loyal to you, Smom, C2M, Dr. Will and Quinn as long as the game dictated at which time it was taken out of my hands and would have forced me to go down with the ship.
honesty
I feel that I played this game with the utmost honesty! I don't believe that I ever lied to anyone in this game, although I will admit that I may not have given all the information that I knew or I may have led some to believe something other than what was actually happening, but then I guess that would lead more into deceit. As far as honesty though, I honestly believe that I played this game as honestly as this game would allow. Some things might be perceived as dishonest (nothing in particular comes to mind here), but one must take a look at the big picture and decide whether it was really dishonest or just creative thinking. I did tell both Quinn and Smom that I would take them with me to the finals, as they did me, but how would that go over if I had told either one or both that I had no plans on taking them with me to the finals if I was put in that situation to choose........Suicide!
betrayal
It is possible that almost every person that played in this game and got evicted could say in some way that they were betrayed. I feel as though I was betrayed by darkking in the early going. Smom could possibly feel that she was betrayed by me not bringing her to the finals, but I don't honestly think that I had a chance against her of winning. C2M might feel that I betrayed him when he was evicted, but the numbers weren't there, sure I could have probably did more to keep him in the game, but he would still have been evicted that week and I probably would have been evicted the next week for exposing myself so much.
deceit
This is a major part of this game! One must be able to deceive people in order to try and keep the game going in the direction they want it to go. If one can't, then they are just reacting to what happens in the game. There is a fine line between deceiving and lying so one has to be careful of what they say so as not to actually commit to something that they don't intend on doing. I will honestly say that I use this as a tool to try and control the way the game is playing out, so if someone feels that I lied to them at any point in the game, I ask of you to look at what was happening at the time and see the big picture, because chances are you were just being deceived as opposed to lied to.
hate
This word and its meaning has no place in my vocabulary!
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Post by Heather on Aug 7, 2007 15:11:53 GMT -5
Hello hello, Quinn and Millertime!
I admit, I could have played a better game than I did I think. I was more of a floater this time, watching what everyone else was doing in the house. But I think it did work somewhat. I did get the chance to make new friends and the house, and get to know some old ones a bit more.
You've had some tough questions lately. I'll ask a more simple one. (i've used this one a lot lately)
What do you think is the smartest move your final 2 partner made in the game?
Good luck to both of you, I really haven't decided my vote yet.
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Post by quinn on Aug 7, 2007 15:50:34 GMT -5
love,
I love these games. I love the strategie, I love the friendships, I love the challenges. I love that these games have to make me think not only in a strategie way but in a human level also. Figuring out what one can say that can make others do something.
loyalty,
Well, most of you probably think that I DON'T have loyalty, but I do and I did. I was loyal to a core group, that core group was Millertime, Aerith and Survivormom. Did I have "aliances" with others, yes, and I would have been flexible enough to sway one way or the other had the need come up (example Aerith, who was my final 2 was sitting next to me for eviction, I stayed and was able to go on). I might not have had Miller as my final 2 (even if he thought he was) but I like the guy to death. He is a really nice guy. Just like I like Survivormom, Aerith and everyone who played this game.
honesty,
That was not much part of my strategie. I am beeing honest NOW because I belive it is important so the house guests can understand my game, but durring the game, I had to almost cross it out of my game. I was honest to Aerith. (and Miller and Survivormom for the most part).
betrayal,
IT became a big part of my game. I knew I had to accept the consequence of that word. I knew I would betray people, but I was ready for it for this game. Like I said I came into this game wanting to play the bad guy.
deceit,
Did I ever do that. For me deceit is pretty much the same as lying. It is guiding someone with false information, or guiding someone to something you might not do. One needs that to make it far in this game.
hate,
Like Miller, it does not exist in my vocabulary.
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Post by quinn on Aug 7, 2007 15:54:30 GMT -5
Best move Miller did in this game was to not give up on the Secret safes. It came to help him out later in the game.
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Post by survivormom on Aug 7, 2007 17:17:03 GMT -5
Hello you handsome final two men!
Mom isn't mad with either of you. I think that you both played a brillant game and I was honored to be a part of it. There were a lot of twists and turns in the game and we stuck together right through them.
Kind of funny to me to look at all these questions and answers....I was also totally commited to Aerith in the beginning and also had a final 2 with her. While I was devastated when she went...looking back, it probably was for the best for me personally because I would not have been guaranteed the final 2 that I originally thought. My second final 2 was also to Quinn.
I honestly was not shocked to see you, Miller, bring Quinn because we didn't have a final 2 pact.....I was shocked to hear your reason for doing this. In my opinion if you had wanted the easier win it would have been against me. Sure I won challenges and vetos but I was less than active in the first 3 weeks and had to be drug along by Aerith. I was surprised that you forgot this. On the other hand....I know that you, Quinn, are MORE than capable of winning challenges that you didn't win.
So....my questions to Quinn are these:
1. Did you fake weakness in the challenges at any time in the game either by purposely throwing them, helping someone else win, or just not being online? Then more specifically, did you purposely throw the final HoH challenge? And if you did, what was your strategic reason for doing so?
2. Tell me how you were dishonest to me at any point in the game with regards to our alliance, plans for the game, and your intentions towards our alliance.
Miller.....You are a funny guy and I think that you did great for your first game in ORG land! I look forward to playing with you again in the future! Here are my questions and comments for you:
1. Did you ever SERIOUSLY entertain bringing me to the final 2 with you or were you set as soon as you won the last challenge?
2. If Quinn couldn't be sitting next to you right now, who do you think DESERVES to be in his spot.....who do you think absolutely doesn't deserve it?
And finally to both of you.....You both appear to have played very similar games.....what is your biggest STRATEGIC accomplishment in the game that sets you APART from the man sitting next to you? I am not referring to winning a veto to get off the block or winning HoH...I am talking about your game play with the rest of the house.
It was TRUELY a pleasure playing with the both of you....I look forward to crowning the Big Brother king!
Love you both!
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Post by Millertime on Aug 7, 2007 19:54:30 GMT -5
What do you think is the smartest move your final 2 partner made in the game?
I think that the best move Quinn made in the game was convincing momo to put you up because you would be her only hope to survive the next week, which ultimately allowed us to take momo out. I mean that with all do respect to both you and momo. momo was both mine and Quinn's biggest threat and with both you and momo working together, you proved to be a force to be reckoned with, so we couldn't pass up the opportunity to get rid of you both when the chance came. Had he not been able to convince momo to go that direction, there is a good bet that neither he nor I would be here right now.
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Congratulations and good luck to you both! You both played and worked very hard to get here. You both wanted this very much and I think you deserve to be here.
