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Post by Anthony on Mar 17, 2008 10:55:11 GMT -5
I'll get to my questions later once I've thought them through, I'd just like to clear up a few things first. Everybody seems to think Yang "convinced" me to vote Yin. He didn't. Each round I voted on what I thought would be best for me. However, on the Yang vote it was more personal, I had gotten so annoyed with Yin lieing to me (sorry, misleading as you'd like to call it) and telling me he was voting Yang and then never, so when he finally decided to get Yang out, I wouldn't allow myself to vote with Yin for the simple fact that he had annoyed me as much as he did. Plus, I knew Yang was going that round so I thought getting Yin a past vote wouldn't do any harm whatsoever. I play these games with a mind of my own and nobody can "sway" me ... I vote how I feel is best for me. That's why I feel me and dragon (nemesis? I wouldn't go that far LOL) fell out, I knew taking Jason out would be better for me in the long run and as we clashed on that vote, neither of us wanted to budge and as I didn't I think that crushed our alliance that I feel could have been great for us both. Also, I only really "went with Will" was because I thought you lied to me and you were talking to Will (somebody who weren't in our alliance) about the vote and badmouthing me to him so I thought you would jump to his side so I wanted to beat you to it and took alex with me to ensure we had the numbers. Plus, he told me he had you wrapped around his finger so when I got the screenshot I sent it to you purposely in the hope that you wouldn't trust him ... all along on Metnal I wanted to work with you but I think we got split up before there was any chance of solving any problems we had. And at merge you then ignored me when I did try and speak to you. Yin, I'm getting wound up with your answers. You didn't only lie once, you lied to me TWICE about voting Yang. I have VERY similar conversations to the ones Phil posted were you told me you voted Yang, yet you claim you were only misleading me. You lied more than once, so yeah, as Frags said, you're now lieing about lieing. I'll get my questions up soon.
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Post by Anthony on Mar 17, 2008 13:57:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I'll get them up tomorrow. But no doubt the jury questioning will still be going on then so hopefully I won't stall the game.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 17, 2008 15:27:27 GMT -5
Congratulations Yin, Frags and Dragon. Anyone making the Final deserves to be in the Final despite how they play, so know that all 3 of you deserve to be in the Final 3. Nevertheless, the “how they play” part will probably determine who in the Final win the game. Keep in mind that we’re still in the game, and what I say here is in no way intended to offend any of you personally, but rather criticized on how you played in this game. Whether or not you feel my vote is important to you, I will really appreciate you to try your best to answer my questions, take your time, and not just rush through them like you don’t care. A true Sole Survivor should know not only the game from their own perspective but understand other players’ game and strategy. I want to see if you fully understand what’s going on throughout the game. I don’t want this to be too tough so I’m only going to ask you to tell me 1) Who do you think I voted for in each post-merge Tribal Council (starting from the Tribal Council C2M was voted off to the one I was voted off), and why do you think I voted that way. Tell me what you know and understand. (All) Now, you all remember Final 7 was when the fans’ favorite Philotas got voted off from the game, but maybe you don’t remember some of our conversations we had before I got voted out. I have a lot of questions regarding them, so let me first remind you how our conversation went. Yin This happens during Final 7. Yin: Ok, I don't know if you're stil willing to work with me ater the whole anthony thing, which I am sorry for. But we should definintly vote yang. He's SUCH a huge threat, don't you think? PM meh back. Philotas: Yeah, Yang is a big threat, and I have no idea why people let him get away in the earlier Tribal Council, where we were trying to get him out. Now, it will only get harder and harder to take him out. Do you think Dragon is going to vote for Yang? Yin: I'm sure she will, I don't know why she wouldn't. Votes are due tomorrow right? So, who are you voting for? Philotas: It has to be Yang this time, and hopefully no one does anything funny again. LOL Yin: Yes! We are finally going to get yang out! I can't believe it took this long. 2) Yin, when you said you only lied once in this game, are you saying you only misled me to believe you were voting for Yang during Final 7? (Yin only) I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. Just want to make sure you remember our conversation, and not saying you lied only once because you forgot some of the other lies you’ve made. First off, I want to start off by pointing out that this is no lie. I never once said I was voting for Yang. Which I didn't My plan was to take you out, while getting you and anthony/carol to vote for yang in the case of a tie in the weeks to come. This not only shows how much of a force not to be reckoned with, but I did all my damage quietly. Frags sits and tries to accuse me of riding coattails the entire game when really, he rode yangs coat tail all through merge, if this was a final two TC i guarentee the frags would not even be in it. Sorry frags, but the ral deserving player is myself. I did not straight up lie but one in this game. My advice for all of you is the emphasis on the difference between the words "should" and "will" a.k.a "We should all vote out the other tribe because we have the numbers to." compared to "I will vote out the other tribe first" That is different. After not only being the most underestimated player in the game, I was the clearly the most trstued. I really have no idea why anyone trusted me? If i told you i ws loyal to you, i was. If i didn't, I wasn't. For example. I promised entropy final 2. I fully planned to do so. Entropy got voted out [Might I add that I was loyal and voted to KEEP him] and so i needed a new ally. This is when myself and dragonomine formed a team. Frags, at this point, had already jumped ship so dragonomine and myself [my only alliance at this poit] were the smallest group of allies. I decided that the only way that the two of us could reach final 2 is if we flip flopped each week on who we voted out. So now that I have executed this plan to perfection, i am faced with a jury of people claiming that i never voted with my alliance, all i have to say to you is "Just because you think I am in your alliance, does not mean I am, it just means that I have once again manipulated you into believing that i am. One more thing I want to ask from you, Yin. 3) What’s with all the random-voting strategy? Were you really voting randomly, or was it some kind of strategy? Please explain about that. (Yin only)I was the ghost votes, but they aren't much of ghosts since everyone knows who they are from. Say I wanted someone out that I promised i wouldn't vote against, this way, if i vote completely randomly, the other party does not gain any ground, but I help future tie breakers for myself and i get the person who i promised not to vote out [aka strategy that none of you thought of] out without voting for them, therefor I am being 100% honest. Final Words: Basically, the reason I should win over frags is because I tricked each and every one of you into thinking you were part of my alliance, without any of you being in it actually. I never lied about it once either. With the exeption of Aleth, sorry again, i never lied about my vote. Because I am brave and truthful.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 17, 2008 15:34:01 GMT -5
Start with "the Good" - Yin
To me, you were a friend. You were a saint - had it all - charms, sweetness, genuine amity. People said you lied, but who cares? Your strategy was to be truthful to your alliance (which you were) and to get this far, you had to lie to a few - for your own sake. It made you got this far so you really shouldn't be regrettin'. Yin, you played the game I wanted to. My question is a simple one. I want to understand you from a strategic POV. So give me the blunt truth.Why did you voted me out? I didn't, that is the truth, I made a F2 deal with you and I really planned on taking you that far. I swear on my life that I didn't vote for you. I didn't even think you were leaving taht week. If you need any clarification, I'm here. When you say people misunderstood me, what do you mean? I mean that frags seemed to all of a sudden start targetting you [bailing, another prime example of coattailing] He tells me that it was because he heard that you were trying to vote him out. This confused me because I knew you weren't targetting him, but I was too late and one side of my alliance ate the other and you were gone, it was then that me and dragon decided taht we had to dump the nonsense that was frags and start really playing, this is also when I became a major role in this game.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 17, 2008 15:47:39 GMT -5
I don't really remember you. That's not good. It's probably my fault though. So my question - Remind me of what you did in the game. I want only facts. NO JUDGMENTS. Just tell me straight out what you did, and I will decide whether or not it was a good move or not.First week I showed guts and devotion by completely making myself vulnerable for the next tribal council. I did this because I knew that I had a weak enough personality that first week to be voted out. I was also confident that our tribe could win immunity. Which we did. Not to mention, the agreement I had with yang to watch each others backs, yang may not have been faithful, but I was smart enough to approach him early on, a mistake that caused the demise philotas[ he came in too late] Also, I had a full attack launched on me when yen tried to take me out for no apparent reason. This persuading I did of the entire tribe, I did silently. Of course, without lying. I also made no deals, because I didn't want to be tied down. Another big coupe of moves I made was submersing myself when drama was on high in my old tribe. Forgot the name lol. The drama was C2M vs. Chad. I voted randomly to avoid lying, because I have morals. This way I pleased myself and my tribemates with one vote. Good luck finding frags or dragonomine doing that anywhere in the game. At merge, a huge move taht I made was turning everyone against C2M. C2M had too many allies and he was going to try and ultimately get me out. So, while keepeing all of my promises, I got everyone to vote out C2M. He was a ticking time bomb and I will take full credit for his exit. Later, I formed a crutial alliance with Dragonomine where I deecided that we would flip flop votes each week until we widdled the other two, larger, alliances to nothing. With the exception of frags, we did just that. One of my major moves in this game is getting out yang. I knew that I would never be able to do so too early in the game, a mistake that many players made [ they tried to get him out too early] actually. I decided to wait until yang got to feeling arrogant and safe enough to slightly let his guard down. This week, I talked to carol frags and dragonomine about voting out yang. I didn't even waste my time on talking to anthony about it. He would never vote with me after I outsmarted him week after week. Well, I made sure that everyone voted asap, so that yang didn't even have a chance to make deeals or talk his game. This is a monumental point in my strategy, I can't believe you don't remember me brennus. Good luck in the voting! so I have answered, Come2meok Carol Brennus entropy philotasanthony yang the alethiometer
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Post by dragonomine on Mar 17, 2008 20:16:43 GMT -5
~ Brennus ~ For everyone - If I had not self-voted Philotas would've been out, and I would've been F7. Dissect the rest of the game with a F7 of dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Anthony, Carol, and Brennus - who do you think would end up in the Final Three in that event and how would they get there? Would it have been different at all?It wouldn't have been that different. Phil would have gone out before you. You would go after, and it would have continued the way it did except Carol would be in F3 instead of Frags. Never underestimate the power of immunity. My question to you, dragonomine - How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Round to the nearest tenth place. Not realy. My serious question - pretend the game has been flipped. Everybody here is eliminated and the new Huracan tribe is comprised of every player who has not reached the jury and they are competing against each other. Out of those people, who do you think would be the most likely to win. Give three good reasons why that person could've won.Oooh that's a good question! I can't include everyone though because I didn't get to meet those that didn't get on the same tribe as me. So that's out. But out of those I did know it would probably be Dr. Will. He had his finger in every pot on both our original tribe and our second tribe. He tried to manipulate every situation to make it look like he was your best friend. He used information he got from others and shared it with the other side. He was the epitome of the double dealer. If he made it to F2 he would win because people were too blind to see what he was doing. If he fooled everyone then by god, he would deserve to win. Blah. Now I must down a whole bottle fo mezcal to stop thinking about that scenario. ;D And as for that chucking wood part I found this in the internet... The good fellows over at the Annals of Improbable Research did a study on this very topic. I don't have the article with me, but ( www.jimloy.com/books/air.htm ) reports that they concluded that a woodchuck can chuck 361.9237001 cubic centimeters of wood per day.Enjoy!
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Post by dragonomine on Mar 17, 2008 20:32:28 GMT -5
~ Entrophy ~ But...but...I wanted a question from you. And I've never been called ugly in my life LOL Here ya go..this was taken today for my BB10 application. img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/Dragonomine/BB2.jpg Not bad for being almost 40, eh? I do understand your strategy. If I had trusted you more I would have stayed with you. I trusted very few in this game and I was cautious after merge on what I said to who. I learned very early not to take people at face value when screen caps of convos started flying around. But I'd be happy to play with you again!
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Post by Brennus on Mar 17, 2008 20:42:13 GMT -5
I think I know who I'm going to vote for, although I'll be shocked if this person actually wins.
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 17, 2008 20:55:20 GMT -5
Sorry, I keep accidently skipping questions. For everyone - If I had not self-voted Philotas would've been out, and I would've been F7. Dissect the rest of the game with a F7 of dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Anthony, Carol, and Brennus - who do you think would end up in the Final Three in that event and how would they get there? Would it have been different at all?Well.. Final 7 [dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Anthony, Carol, and Brennus] This week I see myself, frags, dragonomine, and you voting anthony. Him being out. Final 6 [dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Carol, and Brennus] This week I see myself, carol, dragonomine, and frags all voting to oust yang just as planned. Final 5 [dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Carol, and Brennus] This week I see Myself and dragonomine sticking together once again to vote you out. [no offense] we would probably have carol on our side, maybe frags now that yang would be out, who knows. lol. Final 4 [dragonomine, Frags, Yin, and Carol] Here, I have to agree with dragonomine and say that without immunity we would hae chosen to bring carol along with us. oh well, immunity challenges ruin everything. Fina 3..... [dragonomine, Yin, and Carol] I win 8-0.... in my dreams right? lol. Remember YOU can make it happen!
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Post by Carol on Mar 17, 2008 20:56:15 GMT -5
Damn Dragon... you lied a lot.
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Post by yang on Mar 17, 2008 21:36:02 GMT -5
Opening Comments:
Alright, Yang shall start this off….first order of business….the percentages so far. These are your percentage shots for getting Yang’s vote. Frags=75%, Dragon=20%, Yin=5%.
However, for dragon and yin….you can still win Yang’s vote if you answer him correctly.
First off Yang would like to state a few things…The turning point in this game was back in Gukumatz. Some of you have already heard this, some havent. But what turned this game around is NovaNardis voting himself out.
If that hadn’t happened….Yang would have done even more damage (as scary as that may sound). See here is the original alliance called the power 5.…Yang, NovaNardis, Dr. Will, Jason, and Darkking. Yang and NovaNardis had the job of running their sub-tribes…Will and Jason were appointed to run metnal (darkking was just a number, no real meaning to the alliance).
Obviously, Yang is the only one to make merge of this alliance…and darkking, Jason, and nova all voted themselves out. They were not committed enough. Once Jason went out…Dragon was hand-picked as his replacement in the alliance. So therefore, Dragon’s first deal was with Yang, not any of you others who claim to have had the first agreement with her. So basically this shows her disloyalty further. However, back to Nova. If Nova didn’t self-vote…Anthony would be out and everything surrounding him would not happen. Not only that, but Alethiometer would not have made the merge either. Instead, Dr. Will and NovaNardis would be in the merge and Yang would also gain all his ppl (frags, dragon, c2m, etc) from the other tribe. Hence, Yang would be golden the whole way through because Dr. Will wouldn’t turn on Yang, and Nova likely wouldn’t either.
Despite Yang losing every original ally though, he still manipulated himself all the way to f6. Dragon was originally a replacement, and then became an ally. Frags was originally a pawn…then became an ally.
Now that Yang has pretty much revealed what happened pre-merge…you all know what happened post-merge because you were there. Therefore…lets get to his questioning….
To Dragon: First of all….Yang said this in the jury house…defend yourself against it
“Frags vs. Dragon....this is the ONLY toss-up that is left, but Yang thinks Frags wins narrowly did better strategically this game by placing himself where he did with Yang. Think of it this way, Dragon agreed to an F2 with Yang and assured him countless times she would not flip.....However, Frags was the F3 and he placed himself in an amazing spot. He was with Yang, which meant he was perfectly blanketed because anyone truly with Yang was invisible since Yang kept making his target bigger. BUT, Frags was on the outside a bit more than Dragon so his flip doesnt look as much like a betrayal like Dragon and seems more like a flip. Dragon was a blatent betrayal, Frags does not look that way. Therefore, Frags placed himself in a position where he could flip on Yang without suffering as much consequence as Dragon in the eyes of the jury. News Flash....that is all Frags needed because he already "one-ups" anyone else in the house so just this gives him ups on Dragon and that means he has a "one-up" on everyone in some degreee.”
Basically, why was getting Yang out a good move for you? Yang has said before that getting Yang out only hurts you because with Yang you were guaranteed finals, and you still made finals, but now you gave away the loyalty argument and cannot say you were loyal.
Also, lets say Yang won immunity that week…would you have voted Anthony? And if he won the week after that as well?
Lastly Dragon, you keep talking about your deals here and deals there…but were you planning to break the deal with Yang the whole time? Or did you just realize that you could never beat him and thought it was your only shot to win?
Yang is hard pressed to vote for you since you were blanketed by him the whole time and then vote him out getting rid of your claim to loyalty. Now all you can claim is that you were a spy, plain and simple.
To Yin: Well, so far your explanations and strategies have been bullshit. There are so many problems with the things you have said that frankly, Yang doesn’t have the time to get into them. You had no strategy my friend, you just flopped back and forth, and are now trying to claim you did everything just like Carol would claim she did everything when neither of you really did much of anything. It was not your idea to get Yang out and you know that….it was a common sense move that just made sense to do because Yang would have beaten you all.
First off…Yang will give you some quotes you have said in this final TC. Yang wants you to explain to everyone on the jury why you have decided to feed them bullshit.
Quote 1: “This not only shows how much of a force not to be reckoned with, but I did all my damage quietly. Frags sits and tries to accuse me of riding coattails the entire game when really, he rode yangs coat tail all through merge, if this was a final two TC i guarentee the frags would not even be in it. Sorry frags, but the ral deserving player is myself. I did not straight up lie but one in this game.”
--A force? Are you seriously trying to claim that you are a force? And then you claim frags rode coattails when you have no room to talk on the matter. Then you go as far as to say you are the “real deserving player” and have only straight up lied once.
Quote 2: “was the clearly the most trstued. I really have no idea why anyone trusted me? If i told you i ws loyal to you, i was. If i didn't, I wasn't.”
--Last time Yang checked, noone he talked to trusted you….(except possibly dragon)
Quote 3: “all i have to say to you is "Just because you think I am in your alliance, does not mean I am, it just means that I have once again manipulated you into believing that i am.”
--Yang never once thought you were in his alliance…he was just using you because he knew you couldn’t be trusted. Also, you didn’t manipulate anyone so don’t flatter yourself in front of the jury.
Quote 4: “Final Words: Basically, the reason I should win over frags is because I tricked each and every one of you into thinking you were part of my alliance, without any of you being in it actually. I never lied about it once either.”
--Didn’t you JUST say in that same post that you had only an agreement with Dragon and that you made everyone think you were in their alliance, but really weren’t. A 2 person deal isn’t the “alliance” you were constituting at because there is no room to get into it, therefore, its not so much an alliance, but more an “F2, 2 person deal, agreement” or whatever else you want to call it. Plus you used the words “their alliance” so basically you are proving the claim that others had the alliances, and all you did was just jump around between them. Hence, you make yourself look like a hypocrit.
By the way, all 4 of these quotes were from the response to Philotas…so Yang didn’t even have to dig very far to find material. He will stop there because he thinks he has made his point with these quotes.
Lastly after you explain the bullshit above…Yang wants you to explain why every member of this jury is better than you are. Tell each of us why we played a better game, and tell each of us why we deserve your chair more than you do. Basically flatter us and don’t feed us any more crap because you are just hurting your chances even more.
If you don’t do what Yang has said above…you will lose. If you try to re-state the same crap you have been saying…you will lose. If you try to say you were better than the jury and contest what Yang has said before that…again, you WILL lose. This is your final shot to win over this jury Yin. Whether you like it or not, that is your only chance to win us over so get to it.
Finally To Frags: Yang still thinks he would beat you if we were in F2 together, but of the final 4, you played the best game by far. Scroll up to the quote Yang is having dragon defend…and tell Yang why what he said about you is true.
Explain why you decided to vote Yang out. By the way, Yang saw your flip coming through your actions in the week.
Lastly, explain what you think the vote count would be if Yang took Yin’s spot in F3 and it was Yang, Dragon, and yourself. Also, expanding on this question…is there any person you think could have beaten Yang in the finals? If so, who were they? What would the vote count be? And why would they beat Yang?
If you don’t think anyone could have beaten him, tell Yang why you think this is true. You have a great shot of getting Yang’s vote already, so we’ll see if you change Yang’s mind in a negative way and change that.
Final Juror Comments: Yang would just like to quickly point out the few players whose gameplay he truly respected in this game. Philotas, Frags, Anthony, and Dr. Will.
Philotas: Great player, very shifty and Yang liked your gameplay and our “love-hate” relationship as you put it.
Anthony: Very resilient and always stood up for his beliefs. Yang truly admires your courage and tenacity at coming after him when you kept losing every week.
Frags: Yang admires that you put yourself in a position to flip on Yang and still barely suffer any consequences from it since you were considered Yang’s F3, but not F2. Also, you kept yourself close to Yang so you could be safeguarded…and you used your positioning very well.
Dr. Will: Ahh, my good friend William. You went out so prematurely and Yang wishes that didn’t happen. We could have caused so much damage together, but that shall be for another game and another time. Yang loves your devotion to evil and is pleased that you are always loyal to him.
That is all for the longest questioning session you will see of any juror…hope you all enjoyed.
Careful when you go to bed tonight tho because you never know who might be under your bed waiting to slit your throat *grins*
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Post by Nozuka on Mar 17, 2008 22:03:44 GMT -5
To Yin: Well, so far your explanations and strategies have been bullshit. There are so many problems with the things you have said that frankly, Yang doesn’t have the time to get into them. You had no strategy my friend, you just flopped back and forth, and are now trying to claim you did everything just like Carol would claim she did everything when neither of you really did much of anything. It was not your idea to get Yang out and you know that….it was a common sense move that just made sense to do because Yang would have beaten you all. First off…Yang will give you some quotes you have said in this final TC. Yang wants you to explain to everyone on the jury why you have decided to feed them bullshit. Quote 1: “This not only shows how much of a force not to be reckoned with, but I did all my damage quietly. Frags sits and tries to accuse me of riding coattails the entire game when really, he rode yangs coat tail all through merge, if this was a final two TC i guarantee the frags would not even be in it. Sorry frags, but the real deserving player is myself. I did not straight up lie but one in this game.”
--A force? Are you seriously trying to claim that you are a force? And then you claim frags rode coattails when you have no room to talk on the matter. Then you go as far as to say you are the “real deserving player” and have only straight up lied once. Yes yang, I am claiming to be a force in this game, after all I made final three? I did not ride coat tails in this game at all, I manipulated, manipulated yang, the same strategy that you yourself claim to. Just because I don't present my strategy with all of this hocus pocus bullshit does not make it riding coat tails. I basically snatched your two allies away from you [dragonomine and frags] and got them to vote how I wanted. Get thefuck over it you loser. you lost, you couldn't when, so cut the crap. you haven't won a single game you've been in SEG/RGO. I don't even care about the game right now, I'm sick of your bullshit. I never lied but once in this competition, that is the truth. I know it is an amazing feat, get over it! Quote 2: “was the clearly the most trusted. I really have no idea why anyone trusted me? If i told you i was loyal to you, i was. If i didn't, I wasn't.”
--Last time Yang checked, no one he talked to trusted you….(except possibly dragon)Well, if no one trusted me, why didn't i get a single vote in TC until final 4? I was trusted yang, suckadick. Quote 3: “all i have to say to you is "Just because you think I am in your alliance, does not mean I am, it just means that I have once again manipulated you into believing that i am.”
--Yang never once thought you were in his alliance…he was just using you because he knew you couldn’t be trusted. Also, you didn’t manipulate anyone so don’t flatter yourself in front of the jury. Quote 4: “Final Words: Basically, the reason I should win over frags is because I tricked each and every one of you into thinking you were part of my alliance, without any of you being in it actually. I never lied about it once either.”You really did think I was in your alliance yang, I fooled you yang, it sucks, doesn't it? Yang, you talk all of this "game" like you are in the TC with us, but NEWS BUDDY you're not. you need to find a new game, because yours has yet to work. I manipulated EVERYONE, haha, I'm not even flattering myself, saying that I am deserving of the win would be an under statement. haha. --Didn’t you JUST say in that same post that you had only an agreement with Dragon and that you made everyone think you were in their alliance, but really weren’t. A 2 person deal isn’t the “alliance” you were constituting at because there is no room to get into it, therefore, its not so much an alliance, but more an “F2, 2 person deal, agreement” or whatever else you want to call it. Plus you used the words “their alliance” so basically you are proving the claim that others had the alliances, and all you did was just jump around between them. Hence, you make yourself look like a hypocrite.Alliance - a connection based on kinship or marriage or common interest Mine and dragonomine's common interest was to take each other to final two and eliminate anyone in our path, that is an alliance. A synonym to alliance is a bond. An alliance is formed like a bond. A marriage is between TWO people and considered a bond. Yang, do your research, these questions are rather boring... *yawn*. If you are stooping to basing your question to the selection of one word in my answer, I pity you. I convinced everyone into thinking they were on my side. Have you ever thought that I restate the same answers because you are asking the same questions? By the way, all 4 of these quotes were from the response to Philotas…so Yang didn’t even have to dig very far to find material. He will stop there because he thinks he has made his point with these quotes.Yang, you are not "digging any further" because you can not find anymore. There is no use in trying to rearrange your wording to make it seem as though you have dirt on me. Yang, there is the least dirt on me out of anyone in this game that you will find. Lastly after you explain the bullshit above…Yang wants you to explain why every member of this jury is better than you are. Tell each of us why we played a better game, and tell each of us why we deserve your chair more than you do. Basically flatter us and don’t feed us any more crap because you are just hurting your chances even more.1. I know I can't win this thing any more. I know for a fact that I am a better player than EACH AND EVERY ONE of the jury members. That is why you are down there, and I am up here. In fact, just to piss you off yang, I know for a fact that the best player in this game is Dragonomine and then me. Frags could possibly rank somewhere between 3rd and 24th... :0 truth hurts. If you don’t do what Yang has said above…you will lose. If you try to re-state the same crap you have been saying…you will lose. If you try to say you were better than the jury and contest what Yang has said before that…again, you WILL lose. This is your final shot to win over this jury Yin. Whether you like it or not, that is your only chance to win us over so get to it.Looks like I'm going to lose.... wait lose?! 3rd place? I thought losing would be say 6th place or lower!?!?!!?! Was I mistaken? No yang. You don't control this game like you think, I'm not giving into you either. I may not have had the best strategy by your standards, but I most certainly did by my own standards. I may not have made all of the moves like you would have made them, but I am proud to say that I stood up to yang. Yang, you really are just a kid behind that computer screen. Don't act so tough, this thing is just a game. Oh well guys, looks like I lose.... ;D ;D ;D ;D It was fun playing the game. I have secured at least third place. Sounds a lot better than 6th. Or unjust 1st. I think I might be done answering these questions, that is... unless aleth or anthony wants to switch things up a little. I am tired of being disrespected up here, its just a game. chill out guys. I don't want to play these games if they're going to bring me disrespect for playing the game....
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Post by dragonomine on Mar 17, 2008 22:20:02 GMT -5
~ Phil ~ 1) Who do you think I voted for in each post-merge Tribal Council (starting from the Tribal Council C2M was voted off to the one I was voted off), and why do you think I voted that way. Tell me what you know and understand. (All) I'm not going to lie and say I knew exactly what you were doing. I knew what people told me and eluded to. Knowing that and remembering your tendencies I'll make an educated guess and elaborate because I did say in my opening statement: I will answer as honestly and with as much detail as I can.~ TC #9 ~Knowing that you were close to Entrophy you could have only voted for C2M. I don't know how close you were to C2M, but you thought Entrophy would have your back. ~ TC #10 ~Again, here I think you stayed loyal to Entrophy and voted out Frags. Maybe Frags knew you were giving information to Entrophy and could be a danger to you. It would make total sense on your part to try to save Entrophy. ~ TC #11 ~Do I really have to say who i think you voted for? It's pretty obvious. LOL You voted for Yang. Aleth was an ally for you and it was very clear Yang wanted you gone. ~ TC #12 ~Clearly you voted for Brennus because you didn't self vote. That was an easy guess. ~ TC #13 ~You voted for Yin, which is who you thought was going. Dragon
This conversation actually went back to Final 9, before TheAlethiometer was voted out.
Philotas: Hey Dragon, I have something I want to ask you. Did Carol tell you that she voted for you? She did that to me, and I thought she really did vote for me. Then later she told me she was just kidding.
Dragon: Yeah, but she told me right after. She's got AIM.
Philotas: When Carol saw that I actually got a vote, she was afraid that I must be thinking it's her vote, and I did think like that at first. I was really shocked when she told me that she and 5 other voted for me. I honestly thought I was played big time, and will be the one leaving.
She quickly told me that it wasn't her. I believe her, and I wasn't mad. I'm just glad I still get to be in the game.
Dragon: LOL Early April Fool's joke?
Philotas: LOL that's funny. I really don't know if I can trust her. I heard you'll be voting together with Yang, Frags, and Brennus? Who are we voting for?
Dragon: And who tells you these things? Just wondering.
Philotas: Yang gave me an impression that you are voting with him. However, I'm not sure how close you are with Yang. I guess what I want to know is whether it's possible that we can be a close alliance. This TC, the votes are probably going between Yang and TheAlethiometer. You might be the swing vote, and if we know how each of us are voting, we can both help each other by voting the same and stick with the majority.
Dragon: I heard your side has been bringing my name up to be voted out. How am I supposed to trust you?
Philotas: My side? I don't even have a side, LOL. Maybe you thought I'm with the others? Honestly, I don't know who's been bringing up your name, but I never thought about voting you out.
Dragon: Do you have AIM?
Philotas: Well, I don't have AIM but I use MSN. I'll be glad to talk to you.
Then we exchanged our MSNs, but never get to chat, probably because of the timezone, so we never were online at the same time. You seemed very suspicious of me in our conversations. I have to ask this, because AIM seems to be a big thing for you, and we didn’t get to chat. Plus you seemed to ally yourself with those you chatted on AIM with, like Yin, Frags and Carol. 6) Do you need to talk to someone on AIM or MSN before you can trust them? Was it a factor that we not talking on AIM or MSN caused you to not trust me enough and voted me out? Am I an untrustworthy person not worth talking to because I didn’t talk to you through AIM? (Dragon only)I remember that conversation clearly. And you're 100% right. I didn't trust you. And I'll tell you why... The first time we PMd you were very friendly. I thought you were a pretty nice guy. But then Entrophy sends me this: (you PMing Entrophy) Hey,
Yang and Frags are definitely trying to take you out. They said they have C2M and dragonomine. I think that sounds quite weird since you said dragonomine is probably with you. Entrophy to me:Philotas msged me this. Shocked Tell me it isn't true!?And then you PM me this: Hey Dragon,
How are you? The Survivor game we're in is getting crazy, isn't it? People are talking so many different things. Who do you think we can trust to join us? Join us? After you got information about who was voting Entrophy out you go straight to him and told him everything. Absolutely I couldn't trust you. You're also right. I aligned myself with people I could actually talk to live. (and I never talked to Frags online) That's how I am. I like to get to know people outside the game. It forms a bond. I spent hours with Yang talking about things other than the game. That's why I stuck with him. I totally trusted him. Again, I fucked him over. But it was necessary to give myself a better shot at winning. I really did want to talk to you online. I left MSN on all the time but you never came on. I just wanted to clear the air at least. But you're still a cutie patootie. 7) In Final 7, did you really want to vote me out, or you were just following your alliances (Dragon only)Everything I did at merge was quite deliberate. Yes, I really wanted to vote you out. Carol and Yang first wanted Yin voted off. I refused. Yin and I realized that the fastest way to change Carol's mind (and thus possibly yours and Anthony's) was to put out Yang's name and say Yin and I were ready to vote him off. Worked perfectly. Yang decided to vote you out instead for his own reasons and that worked for me. Had you stayed in the game I can guarantee the outcome would be completely different. Yang was talking to you more and talking more of you to me. That made me very uncomfortable because we had no ties. If Yang had gone that round there would have been enough votes to take me out the next round. I wasn't taking that chance. Okay I'm looking at the clock here. I started answering this at 8:48pm. It's not 11:21pm. Of course I didn't do it straight through, but I DID make sure I took my time and answered your questions the best I could. Good Luck Phil!
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Post by Frags on Mar 17, 2008 23:07:48 GMT -5
Brennus
For everyone - If I had not self-voted Philotas would've been out, and I would've been F7. Dissect the rest of the game with a F7 of dragonomine, Frags, Yin, Yang, Anthony, Carol, and Brennus - who do you think would end up in the Final Three in that event and how would they get there? Would it have been different at all?
If this had been the F7 and not knowing what I know now, this is what I had planned as a pecking order barring any Immunity wins and everything going as I had hoped.
Next off would probably have been Anthony, because he was our target for a while.
Next, I would have said Carol, just because she seemed to have been working with Anthony.
With F5, I would think it would then be Yang, because he was too strong and we needed to get him out then before F4 for a chance to win.
At F4, I believe Yin would be next, because I was working well with you and Dragonomine, leaving Dragonomine, Brennus and myself in the Finals.
For Frags - My opinion of you is that you are a solid game player who got here because he really played the game better than the people who are not here. My question for you Frags - Pretend the 8 jurors are all in one room. Which two would you shoot (not necessarily fatal, lol) and why? Which two would you ignore and why? Which two would you make your best friends and why? And finally, which two would you ban from playing Survivor ever again and why? You can not use the same person twice; every juror should appear once.
Wow, what a question! Anyway, here goes!
Shoot entropy - Only because I found out that he had been targeting me and I viewed him as a threat to my game. Also, I'd like to say that I was wrong about Yin telling me that entropy was targeting me, after reviewing my PM's it was Dragonomine.
Philotas - He was playing such a good game by playing both sides, he kept the game in total chaos, this made it tough for me to gain any kind of control in the game and drove me completely nuts.
Ignore come2meok - Was quiet and as of the time he left hadn't posed any kind of threat.
Brennus - As with C2M, didn't seem to pose much of a threat at the time of his departure.
Best Friends Yang - I like his style as well as his gameplay, someone that seems like I could have a lot of fun with.
Anthony - He's a fighter, I like that in a person.
Ban Carol - Happens to be a victim of the process of elimination, but I would say because she seemed to be a floater.
The Alethiometer - Another victim of the process of elimination, but I know nothing about this person.
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Post by Philotas on Mar 17, 2008 23:42:48 GMT -5
Yin, you also missed my first question.
1) Who do you think I voted for in each post-merge Tribal Council (starting from the Tribal Council C2M was voted off to the one I was voted off), and why do you think I voted that way. Tell me what you know and understand. (All)
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