Final TC Chat

[Jeff]

Welcome Jason and Selah to the Final Tribal Council. You two have done what 14 others could not do and now the fate of your game turns over to the jury: 7 people you had a hand either directly or indirectly voting out. They will decide which one of you will be the Sole Survivor. Let's bring in our jury: CrabbyPatti, Nurse Joy, Purple Rock, ZhanHuPwns, Elizabeth, Raymond, and Bird Man voted out at the last Tribal Council.

So, this is how the Final TC will work. In a moment, Jason and Selah, you two will make your Opening Statements. Once both finalists have made their Opening Statements, then the jury may begin asking their questions. Once jason and Selah have finished answering the questions, I will ask the jury to vote.

Jason and Selah, whenever you're ready, please make your Opening Statement.

[Selah]

Hello Jury!

First of all, as is customary when a great game has been hosted, I would like to extend my thanks to Jeff for hosting yet another fun game. As always, it is a pleasure.

To my partner Jason: We did it. Together. It was fun and you were a great partner the whole time....except when you scared me there at the end when I couldn't get through to you on instant messenger! I am so happy to be standing here next to you at the end.

To the jury: Jury, you have an important job ahead of you. You have to be the sifters of the whole game! Please feel free to ask any question that is on your mind. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the game and its players.

Thank you everyone for making this game exciting!

[Jason]

Hi Guys!

I have to say this was a really refreshing game. Everyone was nice, it was a pretty laid back vibe and even the people that got voted out were pretty cool and nice about it. I like that! Kudos to this game for that reason.

I will say that I had a plan from the very beginning and it worked. My plan was to commit to Selah and nobody else and really just make deals throughout that would work for both of us. This was a total team effort and we consulted each other on every move, and agreed! It was fun to play a game that way and I am so happy it worked.

I know you all have plenty of questions for me, so I will shutup and let you get to them...the only thing is...I will not be trashing Selah, so those of you that want to ask me to say bad things about her and such, I'm sorry I just won't do it. We did this together, but I will comment on where I felt like I made moves vs. when she made moves. Rest assured there were plenty of moves made by both of us. I will answer as many follow-ups as you have, and I am just excited to be at the end and get this opportunity.

Lets do it!

[ZhanHuPwns]

Ok, first I would like to congratulate the two of you for making it to the finals. You two did a great job!




I have to get to bed now, so I will just post a few quick questions now. I will get to the rest of them sometime tomorrow



1. List all the deals you made in this game, and then list the ones you broke

2. Rate the jury members in order from 1 to 7 (1 is best, 7 is worst) on strategy. Also say one thing about their strategy that they are very good at, and one flaw that led them to being eliminated

3. Compare yourself and the other finalist to a tv survivor. And say why

4. Do the same thing as question 3, except with the jurors. Don't forget the reasons.

[BioDork]

Congrats to the both of you. You played me good. You both defiantly deserve the final 2 more than any of the 6 jurors before me.

Both of you worked with me in this game. You both helped me get to the final 3. And, you both helped in my removal of this game.



I know you guys had a strategy to make it where you are. But you never showed me once. You never asked really asked me anything about the game, you would either do things behind my back, or follow exactly what I do. Not something I was happy about.


I feel that their were 2 BIG turning points in this game.

1. When ZHP and Myself decided to go against our original tribe, and when Raymond went against his original tribe.

2. When you voted out ZHP.



1. I felt like Liz, Joy, Raymond, Rock were really close in this game. Even if I was wrong, I knew there was a good chance they would take each other to the final 4 over me. So, I took ZHP and we moved over with you 2 in hopes we made the final 4.

Now, I already had 2 side deals. One with ZHP one with Selah. So I figured out final 4 I would take out Jason. I would have the idea that both wanted to take me to the finals.


2. But, you voted out ZHP. I was no longer in control of this game. I believe this was your best move.





So I have no idea what one of you played the better game. You two had completely different strategies and you never really showed them to me.


I'm going to vote for who I think played the better game. But, you need to let me know who did. So, this is what I need you to do.



1. Jason, please tell me why I should vote for Selah. Selah, please tell me why I should vote for Jason.

2. There are 7 jury members, tell me one thing you liked about each of them.

3. What was your favorite thing about playing this game?


I will look over what you say, who ever I think gave the best responses will get my vote.

[Purple Rock]

Well, first off I'd like to congratulate the two of you, and thank Jeff for hosting such a fun game (which also happened to end my 9 month hiatus from playing these damn things! lol)!

Now, I'm not going to give you a 3 hour research assignment like the people above me did, it isn't necessary and is a bit over the top (seriously, how does ranking members of the jury affect the vote?). If all 7 of us did that then we'd still be here Christmas time, lol!

Anyways, Selah, you said you had a ton of game that would be kept quiet and not revealed until jury time, so reveal it please. =)

Jason, it seems as if Selah had your back multiple times and saved you from being voted out 2-3 times. So is it safe to say she was the mastermind behind the alliance, making the bold moves and saving your ass when it was on the line? And was there ever a similar situation where the roles were reversed?

[Selah]

Jul 10, 2008 16:58:26 GMT -5 ZhanHuPwns said:

Ok, first I would like to congratulate the two of you for making it to the finals. You two did a great job!


I have to get to bed now, so I will just post a few quick questions now. I will get to the rest of them sometime tomorrow

1. List all the deals you made in this game, and then list the ones you broke

2. Rate the jury members in order from 1 to 7 (1 is best, 7 is worst) on strategy. Also say one thing about their strategy that they are very good at, and one flaw that led them to being eliminated

3. Compare yourself and the other finalist to a tv survivor. And say why

4. Do the same thing as question 3, except with the jurors. Don't forget the reasons.

Hey Z...
First let me start of by saying that I am really frustrated with this site right now! I had the first 2 questions almost complete and the site decided to connect me to a translation site and I lost everything I had written! HOW frustrating!!!!! Anyway, I guess it was a warm up for answering now!

1. List all the deals you made in this game, and then list the ones you broke

``The first deal I made in this game never had a chance to take off. Goltemis and myself talked before the tribes were announced and agreed to work a final 2 together but we weren't on the same tribe and so we were forced to wait until the merge to talk and put any sort of true alliance together. He was voted out early so we never had the opportunity. After he was voted out I agreed to a final 2 with Brighton who went right before the merger.

``Birdman and myself talked early and mutually agreed that we would like a final 6 together. This was obviously completed. BirdMan told me that he wanted to take me to the final 2. I knew that he had the same alliance deal with Z (despite his arguments at the time that it was just me). This was solidified to me when he told me honestly that at Final 4 he wouldn't agree to vote for Z and would force a tie with Jason. The deal I had with Bird never was broken as we went well past final 6.

``Jason. When the game first started we began just talking general stuff and he didn't know who I was. I liked it that way! I knew who he was and I knew his record. I knew that he was someone that I could count on to be true to an alliance. We promised each other final 2 right after the merge. This deal wasn't broken either.

2. Rate the jury members in order from 1 to 7 (1 is best, 7 is worst) on strategy. Also say one thing about their strategy that they are very good at, and one flaw that led them to being eliminated.

1. BirdMan - Obviously Bird played a great game! He played a very dishonest game but he played it well. It never failed to amuse me how he could tell the same players the same lie over and over and they would continue to trust him! This shows me that he had a lot of control over them. His biggest downfall was arrogance and pride. He believed that this was his game. Even when Jason and me systematically destroyed both other power couples (Ray-Liz) (Bird-ZHP) he still continued with his arrogance even though we were doing this. He was actually thankful when Z was voted out because he was glad to not have to choose me or Z to go to the finals. He didn't realize at that point that Z was taken out because I didn't want Jason to be forced out at final 4. He would have realized what was going on if he had put away his pride.

2. Elizabeth - Also a very powerful player. Liz is an immunity challenge goddess and I knew that at some point in the game that she was going to take commanding control and waltz into the final 2. She had a leadership role in her alliance and held the captivation of at least 2 seperate final 4 deals. Obviously this was part of her downfall. Seeing her strength....who would want to mess with that being on the outside of her alliance!

3. Purple Rock - Purple Rock is placed here for what could have been and he likely is better than this placement. I was in awe at his understanding of the game and his prowess at controlling players. He was very convincing and not scared to approach anyone and everyone to protect himself. His downfall was a few things combined. One was just timing....I believe that he is a very honest, reliable player but I had not had the time to build a relationship with him at that point so it was not condusive for me to trust him. His other downfall was the alliance that he presented to me: Final 4 plan of me, him, Ray, Liz. This obviously left out Jason and so I had no intention of accepting that offer. This also presented me in a situation where I would likely be taken out at 5th or 4th at best.

4. NurseJoy - I have a feeling that you really should be placed much higher than 4th as well because I know that you held a lot of reins both before the merge and with your alliance after the merge. Your downfall to me was just seeing that control in someone that I really didn't know and knew that I had little chance of going far with you.

5. ZhanHuPwns - Zhan made the great move of aligning himself with the bad boy, outspoken player in the game...Bird. This is normally a really great move because the thought process there is that you always have someone else who is a bigger target than you are! Jason and I knew that if you were allowed to make the final 4 that Jason would be taken out and so you had to go well before that time. Your downfall was mostly circumstances. Jason and me obviously couldn't just sit by and wait for final 4 so that he would be taken out.

6. Raymond - God love you Ray! I know I do! Ray made the strategic decision of aligning himself with Elizabeth, someone who he knew would be loyal to him and allow him to relax. His downfall was trusting BirdMan and also not communicating with me: BirdMan told he and Liz that he was voting for me and asked them to vote for me. They did and he didn't vote for me. The next round I asked him to vote for Bird and he agreed that he wanted to do that but then didn't talk to me at all. He completely ignored my PMs to him. All he had to do was respond and tell me that he was going to vote for Bird. This wouldn't have won him a spot in the final 2 but it would have carried him to the final 3 with a shot at winning the next immunity challenge! When he didn't respond (and Jason wasn't available to guarantee that he was voting for Bird) I decided that even though Jason and myself could take out Bird that I really didn't want Ray around since he wasn't willing to play. I felt at that stage that even though I wanted Bird out that Bird was more deserving.

7. CrabbyPatti - This number would be higher if she had had a true opportunity to spread her wings. I had the chance to get to know Patti (can't wait to find out who she really is!!!). She is very easy to talk to and I found that she never argued with a single vote I presented her and was faithful to vote accordingly.


3. Compare yourself and the other finalist to a tv survivor. And say why.

Oh gosh! I would have to say that Jason reminds me of Chris Dauherty. Chris slipped on the very first immunity challenge as he awkwardly tried to cross the balance beam and I was sure that he was going to be voted out right away! Later he proved that he knew how to socialize and won his share of the challenges. Likewise, Jason had a slip in the very beginning of the game when he was away for a weekend and a challenge was held that we lost. I was sure that he was going to be toast but he not only survived....he rose above and played a great game.

I always have reminded myself of Sandra. Spunky and loud and not afraid to take a risk. Despite her physical limitations, she found a way to play the game...her game was a strategic game. This is me to a tea...I am not the smartest or the fastest but I use what the good Lord gave me and have learned how to strategize.

4. Do the same thing as question 3, except with the jurors. Don't forget the reasons.

BirdMan - Reminds me of JFP. Played dirty yet was trusted! Both were powerful contenders in immunity challenges. Funny thing that they both made it to the final 3!

Raymond - Reminds me of Chet. Chet just really kind of refused to play and didn't make the right moves. (Sorry Ray)

Elizabeth- Reminds me of PG. While she didn't really get to force her hand at the challenges in this game, I know that she has it in her. She is mighty and not afraid to speak her mind. She is also a very strategic player.

ZHP- Reminds me of Erik- He surrounded himself with the right people but those people didn't serve him well in the end. (this one was hard!)

PurpleRock- Reminds me of Rob Cesternino. He always had a plan...100 plans if needed. He is a smooth talker and understands the game. And just like his alter ego, he was seen for the threat that he was.

Nurse Joy- Reminds me of Eliza. Spunky and smart and got the short end of the stick!

CrabbyPatti- Reminds me of Elizabeth Filarski. Super sweet and didn't make waves at all! True to her word.


Thanks for the hard hitting questions and I hope that I have answered them to your satisfaction!

[Selah]

Jul 10, 2008 17:41:42 GMT -5 BioDork said:

Congrats to the both of you. You played me good. You both defiantly deserve the final 2 more than any of the 6 jurors before me.

Both of you worked with me in this game. You both helped me get to the final 3. And, you both helped in my removal of this game.



I know you guys had a strategy to make it where you are. But you never showed me once. You never asked really asked me anything about the game, you would either do things behind my back, or follow exactly what I do. Not something I was happy about.


I feel that their were 2 BIG turning points in this game.

1. When ZHP and Myself decided to go against our original tribe, and when Raymond went against his original tribe.

2. When you voted out ZHP.



1. I felt like Liz, Joy, Raymond, Rock were really close in this game. Even if I was wrong, I knew there was a good chance they would take each other to the final 4 over me. So, I took ZHP and we moved over with you 2 in hopes we made the final 4.

Now, I already had 2 side deals. One with ZHP one with Selah. So I figured out final 4 I would take out Jason. I would have the idea that both wanted to take me to the finals.


2. But, you voted out ZHP. I was no longer in control of this game. I believe this was your best move.


So I have no idea what one of you played the better game. You two had completely different strategies and you never really showed them to me.


I'm going to vote for who I think played the better game. But, you need to let me know who did. So, this is what I need you to do.

1. Jason, please tell me why I should vote for Selah. Selah, please tell me why I should vote for Jason.

2. There are 7 jury members. Please tell me why you think each of them were voted off.

3. What was your favorite thing about playing this game?


I will look over what you say, who ever I think gave the best responses will get my vote.

1. Jason, please tell me why I should vote for Selah. Selah, please tell me why I should vote for Jason.

Jason is a very honest and endearing partner so it won't be hard for me to talk him up! Jason was always available to strategize and was never argumentative or worse...bullheaded. We had the same goal in this game, to get to the end together. While we both made moves and we both had the same goals I feel that Jason's biggest move was talking to Liz about voting for ZHP.
My thoughts at the time were that both Z and Ray needed to go because I wanted to break up both power couples. I talked to Jason about this and we decided that we would vote for Ray. The reason that we picked Ray was simply because Z had flipped and so I didn't think that Liz or Ray would want to vote for him. Ray seemed to be the easier vote because I figured that both sides would be upset with him for not coming through on the vote to take out Jason the week before.

I then went to Z and assured him that I wasn't upset with him for flipping to Rock and told him that I wanted to vote out Ray and was he in. He said yes and then cast an absentee vote for Ray before leaving town.
After this happened, Jason came to me and told me that he had talked with Liz and that she and Ray were indeed willing to vote out Z. This is the move that I am most proud of him for doing. While we would have taken out Z or Bird the next round (depending on how immunity went), having the opportunity to take out the bigger target first is always a welcome thing! So we snatched it up!


2. There are 7 jury members. Please tell me why you think each of them were voted off.

This was already asked and answered in Z's questions. If you would like more in depth on any particular player then please let me know.

3. What was your favorite thing about playing this game?

My favorite part of the game was watching it unfold. It isn't very often that one gets to play a game to the end and see the fruits of their labor come to fruition. It was awesome to take notes in my diary and document my goals and concerns and then watch them come together. I loved meeting Rock! I have made a great and true friend in him that will last a lifetime. I loved seeing my TAR partner and the host of that game in the final 3....how ironic is that anyway! So...I guess it all boils down to....my favorite part of the game was just the ride of the game! ;D

Thanks to everyone for making the ride fun!

[BioDork]

I edited #2 of my questions. Its the same as ZHPs question.

[Lilly-Beth]

Congrats Jason and Selah for making the final 2

Please tell me who you think each of the jurors will vote for to win this game and why. Also, describe each juror in 3 words (no repetitions please) and also describe your fellow finalist in 3 words.

I'll probably have more questions, which I will post later. my supervisor is giving me the evil eye. lol

[Selah]

Jul 10, 2008 17:55:36 GMT -5 Purple Rock said:

Well, first off I'd like to congratulate the two of you, and thank Jeff for hosting such a fun game (which also happened to end my 9 month hiatus from playing these damn things! lol)!

Now, I'm not going to give you a 3 hour research assignment like the people above me did, it isn't necessary and is a bit over the top (seriously, how does ranking members of the jury affect the vote?). If all 7 of us did that then we'd still be here Christmas time, lol!

Anyways, Selah, you said you had a ton of game that would be kept quiet and not revealed until jury time, so reveal it please. =)

Jason, it seems as if Selah had your back multiple times and saved you from being voted out 2-3 times. So is it safe to say she was the mastermind behind the alliance, making the bold moves and saving your ass when it was on the line? And was there ever a similar situation where the roles were reversed?

Thanks for the question Rock.....
The part of my game that was being kept quiet to you when you asked me to come along with you has been touched on a bit but I will go through it more now...
When you came to me about flipping on Bird and joining you for a final 4 it was tempting. The first warning signs to me to not do this were that it didn't include Jason and it included both Ray and Liz.
At the time you told me that Bird was going to flip on me and that he planned on voting me out at final 4. This was not a possibility because if Jason won that immunity then we could force out Z and if Jason didn't win immunity then he would have been gone because of the tie that I knew Bird would force.
What I didn't tell you at that time because I really didn't know you very well was that I had no intention of going to the final 4 with Z AND Bird. I had already decided that the power couples had to go and I didn't want any attention brought to the power couple of Jason and Selah so I kept quiet.
I had full intention of taking out one member of each couple over the next 2 weeks. While I knew that Liz and Bird were the bigger threats over Z and Ray I really didn't care in which order Z or Ray went because both of them had to go.

Some of my game was also in the setting up before the merge. My first plan was to step out and make my presense known and I picked Chet and gathered votes. My next target was DrWill.
DrWill didn't show up for the challenge and this made my job a little easier but I still had to garner votes from a group of people that I didn't feel sure of. I sent out PMs right when I realized that we had lost the challenge and got in ears about voting for Will.
Raymond said that he agreed that Will needed to go. Brighton was dead set on voting for Will. Crabby said that she would vote wherever so I told her that we have the choice of Chad or Will. I did this so that I could get the idea of voting for Chad in her ear for later. I then came back in a different PM and said that it looks like there is already a majority for Will. I didn't have it totally at that point but I wanted to ensure that I had the votes. My goal with this was to stack 3 votes on Chad for later while getting Will out. I successfully pulled off both plans...... That next vote that was for Chad was a little trickier than I had hoped because Jason had left town and we lost the immunity challenge and there was a very big push to vote him out.

This hopefully gives you a picture of my game before the merge and my thoughts post merge. Let me know if you would like more details or have any more questions.

[Selah]

Jul 10, 2008 17:41:42 GMT -5 BioDork said:

2. There are 7 jury members, tell me one thing you liked about each of them.

BirdMan - His loyalty to me despite his betrayals of others.

Raymond - He never once lied to me in this game.

Elizabeth - She also never lied to me but also was willing to change her game up as it was needed.

ZHP - He was very loyal.

PurpleRock- He was a great strategist and wanted to include me.

NurseJoy- She had a very commanding prowess and I knew that she had control over the players.

CP- Great gal who always made me feel at ease.

[Selah]

Jul 10, 2008 20:44:55 GMT -5 Lilly-Beth said:

Congrats Jason and Selah for making the final 2

Please tell me who you think each of the jurors will vote for to win this game and why. Also, describe each juror in 3 words (no repetitions please) and also describe your fellow finalist in 3 words.

I'll probably have more questions, which I will post later. my supervisor is giving me the evil eye. lol

Ohhhhhh Lizzy......ok, I hate to jinx anything by even thinking of this stuff in my head so this is really hard for me to put on paper! I really don't know who everyone will vote for but I will give my guesses!

Please tell me who you think each of the jurors will vote for to win this game and why.

CP - I feel that Patti will vote for me because I was close to her before the merge.

NurseJoy- Totally do not have a clue how she will vote since neither Jason nor myself had much time to work with her. I will say that she will vote for Jason assuming that they had more contact with each other.

Purple Rock - I think that he will vote for me because we strategized together and did attempt to form an alliance even though we didn't go through with it.

ZHP - I think that Z is a toss up as well but I think that he will vote for Jason since Jason was the actual muscle that caused his demise that round.

Elizabeth - Another tough read! I think that Liz will vote for Jason because I feel that they strategized more together.

Raymond - I feel that Raymond will vote for Jason because he will be upset with me for comparing him to Chet.

BirdMan - I feel that BirdMan will vote for me despite me taking Jason to the final 2 because I feel that he saw me more as the strategic player and the bigger threat who got him before he got me.

Also, describe each juror in 3 words (no repetitions please)

I have done a lot of describing in the prior posts but I will try to give some new adjectives here!

CrabbyPatti - Available, helpful, friendly
NurseJoy- raunchy ;D , talkative, schemer
PurpleRock - courageous, strategic, likeable
ZHP - trusting, thoughtful, full of heart
Elizabeth - leader, determined, resiliant
Raymond - strong, willing, good listener
BirdMan - fun, schemer, daring

and also describe your fellow finalist in 3 words.

Jason - loyal, confident, strong

Thanks for the questions...and for causing me to systematically pull my hair up coming up with new adjectives for everyone!
Let me know if you need anymore answers!!

[Lilly-Beth]

Jul 10, 2008 21:50:48 GMT -5 Selah said:

Ohhhhhh Lizzy......ok, I hate to jinx anything by even thinking of this stuff in my head so this is really hard for me to put on paper! I really don't know who everyone will vote for but I will give my guesses!


Thanks for the questions...and for causing me to systematically pull my hair up coming up with new adjectives for everyone!
Let me know if you need anymore answers!!

Sorry Selah. lol

[Jason]

Wow, lots of fun questions. Sorry I just got home from work I will work on these as soon as I can!